Is The Fetus An Intruder Or An Invited Guest

[Quester]

Just a question on which I would like to hear some commentary.

[Skooz]

The choice is made at conception. The guest was invited.

[goodform]

The guest was invited.

Bump

[Rubber Ducky]

Is this not immoral behaviour?

Excellent analogy . . . but it implies responsibility for your own behavior. Since humans are part of the animal kingdom and animals respond to stimuli through no choice of their own, they cannot be held responsible for their actions. Its society's fault! </sarcasm>

[RISU]

Comment:

Abortion is murder.

Women who indulge in it are weak and pitiful, and are also telling themselves a lie about it all, since the baby's DNA is not the same as their own and therefore it isn't "my body" after all they are messing with. The act is murderous, plain and simple unless you are too frightened to see the truth.

It's up to the "guest" as to whether or not he or she accepts the "invitation". I suppose if you are desperate enough, you would come to a mother immoral enough to murder you after the party. "Buyer beware"!

How's this for a comment?

[wideawake]

The intruder/guest question has a conceptual flaw: the child's presence is always due to the volition of other parties - either the mother decided to engage in behavior which facilitated the child's presence or someone forced the child's presence on her.

In the latter case (which comprises a very tiny percentage of America's legal prenatal infanticides) the child is neither an intruder nor a guest. It's as if some intruder invaded your apartment and left a helpless person bound and gagged in your bedroom.

You might be tempted to toss the helpless person out the tenth-story window of the apartment, ejecting them from your property. Of course, that would be an evil act, and would compound the misery by adding an act of wilful murder on top of a brutal assault.

[A Navy Vet]

"Is The Fetus An Intruder Or An Invited Guest?"

Is this a pointless question or what?

[liberalism=failure]

I think a woman should be able to control her own body: i.e. she should be allowed to choose with what man she would like to share it with.

I am also pro-choice: I think if a woman doesn't want her baby she should be allowed to CHOOSE to put it up for adoption

But he fetus is an invited guest and therefore deserves to be treated accordingly.

murder for convenience sake is still murder.

[liberalism=failure]

I think a woman should be able to control her own body: i.e. she should be allowed to choose with what man she would like to share it with.

I am also pro-choice: I think if a woman doesn't want her baby she should be allowed to CHOOSE to put it up for adoption

But the fetus is an invited guest and should be treated accordingly.

Because murder for convenience sake is still murder.

[DLfromthedesert]

Unless it's done by taking a pill IMMEDIATELY in the ER; before implantation.

[Saundra Duffy]

Your question makes me cry. The baby is an invited guest of God our Father. I still can't believe America condones/promotes the killing of innocent unborn babies. We must be living in the end times.

[Xenalyte]

My first niece, who's due to premiere in about 10 minutes here, was definitely invited.

[Salvation]

Abortion is murder.

The proof is in the pictures.

[chimera]

I'm not sure the analogy fits. If either an intruder or invited guest, some measure of volition is implied. An intruder exercises volition in the sense that he chooses to whether or not to intrude upon another. Likewise, an invited guest can decide whether or not to accept the invitation. An unborn child simply is, and does not exercise any kind of conscious choice.

The primary questions of ethics center on the rightness or wrongness of the acts of conscious entities. Since the unborn child untakes no act other than existence, its hard to argue as to the rightness or wrongness of acts that do not take place. It is dangerous ground to undertake the question of whether or not one's mere existence is a question for debate as to rightness or wrongness. Those who take such a task upon themselves are literally playing with a live hand grenade, in an ethical sense.

[BibChr]

Is this a pointless question or what?

Did you read the article first or not?

Dan

[Hajman]

Is The Fetus An Intruder Or An Invited Guest

False dilemma. The fetus is the mother's child, reguardless. As such, it should be treated in kind.

-The Hajman-

[mn12]

This reminds me of a college course I took a few years ago, called "Contemporary Ethical Problems". Abortion was a major topic. As would be expected, we studied a wide array of pro-abortion essays by femi-nazis, and almost nothing against abortion.

One particularly disturbing article considered a fetus to be a "wild animal in a cage", the cage being the woman. The essay discussed how unless abortion was permitted, the woman would not be allowed to defend herself from the "wild animal" that is her baby. It was quite disheartening to read this lunatic's distribe comparing a human baby to something like a rabid dog.

When I asked the (liberal, black, female) teacher why the essay did address how the woman's actions put this "wild animal" in her in the first place, I was blown off and she rapidly changed the subject.

[donh]

Is the typhoid bacilli an invited guest or an intruder? It is clearly the result of natural processes, it is clearly very avoidable if one takes preventative steps.

How is the case for the typhoid bacilli any different from the case for the fetus?

[PatrioticAmerican]

Excellent question. A fetus is an invited guest. Now, does that mean that the hosts can ask the fetus to leave?

[Hajman]

How is the case for the typhoid bacilli any different from the case for the fetus?

The fetus isn't a parasite.

-The Hajman-