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Just 'cause I love all you Freepers so much I want you to live a long time. Eat like cave men and women.
1 posted on 03/07/2002 6:16:06 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
Where can I buy mastodon steaks?
2 posted on 03/07/2002 6:19:21 PM PST by Miss Marple
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Do you think my cheering squad looks like cave men and women?

Gimme a 'D'
Gimmie an 'O'
Gimmie an 'H'
What's it spell?

DOH!

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3 posted on 03/07/2002 6:19:56 PM PST by Jen
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To: Pharmboy
Eat like cave men and women.

Especially you FReeperettes.

7 posted on 03/07/2002 6:23:50 PM PST by dighton
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To: Pharmboy
Absolutely true. An archaeological study was done at a site in Turkey which was an early Neolithic village. Down deep in the strata, human remains are found which show a fairly healthy population. But in the shallower strata, the skeletons show typical signs associated with agriculture:

heavy muscle-attachment marks (from heavy labor), degraded joints (same), bone deformation (malnutrition), shorter stature than the older skeletons (poor diet), "starvation rings" - periods of no bone growth (famine or lack of adequate food).

We paid a price for the Neolithic Revolution:
we got high population and civilizations as we know them, but also a near-famine existence for so many for most of recorded history.

9 posted on 03/07/2002 6:28:34 PM PST by petuniasevan
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> Both the fossil record and ethnological studies of hunter-gatherers... indicate that humans rarely if ever ate cereal grains nor did they eat diets high in carbohydrates.

Uh, oh. It does not look good for Fruit Loops.

13 posted on 03/07/2002 6:43:20 PM PST by T'wit
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To: Pharmboy
article very much like "eat right for your type"-MANY TX FOR POSTING
15 posted on 03/07/2002 6:45:40 PM PST by 1234
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To: Pharmboy
I trust you realize that a "paleolithic" diet means eating old stones.
18 posted on 03/07/2002 6:48:41 PM PST by T'wit
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To: Pharmboy
bttt
20 posted on 03/07/2002 6:49:35 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: Pharmboy
When I was big into low carb eating I belonged to a low carb listserv and Ray Audette the author of Neanderthin was a member. Have you read his book?

I was very interested in his posts and even made some of the beef jerky recipies in a dehydrator. He was big into making pemmican too if I remember right.

I wasn't able to lost weight on the Atkins diet but I did feel the best I've even felt in recent memory. I know that carbs are pure poison for my body but want the reward of weight loss that goes with the diet. That I could never achieve.

So now I feel like crap and I'm fat : ( WWAAAA...think I'll have another beer.

MKM

25 posted on 03/07/2002 7:07:58 PM PST by mykdsmom
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To: Pharmboy
I hope people will take into context the fact that paleolithic humans rarely lived into their 30's. A diet suited for paleolithic hunter-gatherers isn't necessarily going to be ideal for us today, because, with very few exceptions, we don't live like cavemen.
28 posted on 03/07/2002 7:17:22 PM PST by Snuffington
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To: Pharmboy
Want to live until 30? Fine eat like a caveman. The Chinese and Japanese eat a high carb diet (they eat mostly rice-not General Tso's Chicken) and they have the highest life expectancies
31 posted on 03/07/2002 7:21:13 PM PST by arielb
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The fossil record indicates that early farmers, compared to their hunter-gatherer predecessors had a characteristic reduction in stature, an increase in infant mortality, a reduction in life span, an increased incidence of infectious diseases, an increase in iron deficiency anemia, an increased incidence of osteomalacia, porotic hyperostosis and other bone mineral disorders and an increase in the number of dental caries and enamel defects. Early agriculture did not bring about increases in health, but rather the opposite. It has only been in the past 100 years or so with the advent of high tech, mechanized farming and animal husbandry that the trend has changed.

Just what I've been saying around here, over and over.

Agriculture was not developed because it was easier than hunter gathering, except when attempting to hunt and gather in an overpopulated world.

Technology has always been the art of making more from less--and usually the more is of an poorer quality than the original.

34 posted on 03/07/2002 7:28:19 PM PST by Age of Reason
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the diet of pre-agricultural humans was derived primarily from animal based foods.

So why do we have teeth designed for a mixed diet, one which is not primarily meat? Our intestines would be shorter too if meat was our predominate food.

35 posted on 03/07/2002 7:29:51 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: Pharmboy
BUMP
38 posted on 03/07/2002 7:34:47 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: Pharmboy
Excellant and interesting article generally. Of cours they have got it wrong on the the reason for the transition from the paleolithic (hunter gatherer) way of life to the neolithic (agriculture based) way of life.

"If we examine the fossil record, it suggests that a number of environmental pressures may have forced humans to adopt agriculture, including increases in human population densities and the depletion of easily hunted game."

Certainly increases in population were a consequence of this transition, and not the cause of it. The reason that humans gave up the care-free and easy life of the hunter-gather for the boredom and drudgery of agriculture is that they had discovered brewing and wanted a stesdy source of grains for making beer. The transition is allegorically represented in the Bible by the story of the fall.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Genesis 3

41 posted on 03/07/2002 7:55:24 PM PST by Aurelius
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Human origins and development bump!
55 posted on 03/08/2002 6:38:25 AM PST by cracker
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To: Pharmboy
Let's add a kink to that grain development timeline: It's quite likely that grain was first cultivated for brewing beer, not baking bread. Finding evidence of humans growing grain does not guarantee that they were actually eating the grain!
64 posted on 03/09/2002 6:56:52 PM PST by Redcloak
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73 posted on 10/07/2006 10:02:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (If I had a nut allergy, I'd be outta here. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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An old topic from Pharmboy which may be of interest.


74 posted on 10/07/2006 10:03:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (If I had a nut allergy, I'd be outta here. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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My main problem with these arguments is that - just because we survived and were healthy under these conditions - it does not mean that it was "ideal".

For example, I raise ALOT of cacti. And, most come from deserts with minimal nutrients and h2o - this is their natural environment and they do well. However, given more nutrients and more h3o - they do even better (up to a point). The trouble with "more water and nutrients" is that, under those conditions, the cacti thrive - but other plants thrive even more, overtaking the cactus and dominating the biome

The logic of the article precludes interspecies competition".

NOW, I'm doing to eat my fruit loops!

79 posted on 10/08/2006 3:23:39 AM PDT by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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