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Shooting Sparks Gun Modification
Yahoo News ^ | 7 March 2002 | Staff

Posted on 03/07/2002 8:42:17 AM PST by 45Auto

The Remington Arms Company is offering to modify a bolt lock on some 2.5 million rifles following the accidental shooting death of a 9-year-old boy, the company said Wednesday. The modification is being offered to the owners of all the Remington bolt-action rifles manufactured before 1982.

Remington says the effort was initiated in part as a response to the death of Gus Barber, who was accidentally shot by his mother two years ago as she was unloading her Remington 700 bolt-action rifle. The family, of Manhattan, Mont., said the presence of a bolt-lock mechanism required Barbara Barber to release the safety in order to open the bolt to eject the chambered round.

The trigger was not pulled or even touched, but the rifle immediately fired on safety release, the family said.

"The gun went off. My finger was nowhere near the trigger," Barbara Barber said in an interview last year with CBS. Remington is offering to remove the bolts and clean and inspect the rifles for $20 each. The rifles will be returned with a $20 coupon toward the purchase of Remington products, the company said on its Web site.

A call placed to Remington's headquarters in Madison was not returned Wednesday. In a letter to CBS Evening News, the company said, "The Barber family knows it has our deepest sympathy."


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To: HELLRAISER II
I agree, and the kid was probably in the same room, the article doesn't specify that and I don't know the details. I was just putting forth the idea that, while the mother was still being unsafe, it could have been a little different than just pointing the gun in the direction of someone in the same room. Does anyone have specific information about this case?
21 posted on 03/07/2002 9:25:10 AM PST by Noslrac
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To: HELLRAISER II
I don't believe for a second that gun went off without either being dropped or her accidentally pulling the trigger.

This is a very rare event, but Remington 700s do sometimes fail this way. The striker can fall when the safety is released.

I have owned one for years, excellent rifle, excellent value, too. Mine has never malfunctioned in this way, and 9999 out of 10,000 never will, but it can happen.

22 posted on 03/07/2002 9:27:30 AM PST by MikeJ
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To: HELLRAISER II
I've heard of cases where defective mechanisms cause the gun to go off when the safety is released. Always treat manipulation of the safety as something that possibly might make the gun go off
23 posted on 03/07/2002 9:31:53 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: MikeJ
But it (the safety) can fail.
Which is why you, and everyone who posted before you, never point a loaded firearm at something you don't want to shoot.
Not to belabor the point...well, yes, to belabor the point...Don't aim at what you don't want to shoot!
24 posted on 03/07/2002 9:32:45 AM PST by HiJinx
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To: mamelukesabre
This reminds me of a similar story involving certain '80's model audi stationwagons and "unintended accelleration".

I remember those stories. Of course, the situation was that much worse if there was a Pinto in front of your Audi.

25 posted on 03/07/2002 9:33:14 AM PST by TC Rider
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To: 45Auto
I don't understand why remington is getting involved in this. Isn't it the owners responsibility to make repairs/modifications and to keep the rifle in proper working order? Isn't it the owners responsibility to understand the workings of ALL its parts and features? Who is responsible for proper firearm safety? The owner, or the manufacturer? Firearms should not be designed so that the stupidest and clumsiest and least careful can safely handle them.
26 posted on 03/07/2002 9:36:54 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: SauronOfMordor
I've also heard of at least one case where a cop, while holding a suspect at gunpoint with a cocked semi-auto handgun, tried to "safe" his gun by pressing the decocker. The gun went off while pointing at the perp's head. Oops.

Always treat your handgun's decocker as something that might make it go off, too

27 posted on 03/07/2002 9:38:48 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: mamelukesabre
If the engine in your car explodes because of a defect is it your responsibility? I would think most manufacturers are going to fix a "defect" instead of having problems and geting sued. The price to fix it is probably much less than getting stuck with a bunch of lawsuits. Kind of Good Will too.
28 posted on 03/07/2002 9:39:53 AM PST by Noslrac
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To: 45Auto
The ultimate responsibility for firearm safety rests with the person who has his/her hands on the gun.

Bingo.

But, in todays litigious society, we can't let common sense like that get in the way of placing blame on someone other than who's fault it really is.</sarcasm>

29 posted on 03/07/2002 9:40:54 AM PST by Hoosier Patriot
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To: 45Auto
M-U-Z-Z-L-E C-O-N-T-R-O-L.

Clearly, here, this was not observed. Safety starts and ends between your ears.

30 posted on 03/07/2002 9:40:55 AM PST by Frohickey
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To: Noslrac
That is not the same thing. A firearm is a very simple device and anyone that owns one should be intelligent enough to know all the parts and their functions and be able to identify problems. If you are not aware of a problem with your firearm, YOU ARE TO BLAME FOR THAT IGNORANCE. not the manufacturer.

Basice maintenance of a firearm is the owners responsibility and if the owner is not smart enough to handle this task....then tough *.
31 posted on 03/07/2002 9:47:55 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: HiJinx

Jeff Cooper's Rules Of Gun Safety

[...] I have lived a long and active life, and I am still alive because I have always been very, very careful.



RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

There are no exceptions. Do not pretend that this is true. Some people and organizations take this rule and weaken it;e.g. "Treat all guns as if they were loaded." Unfortunately, the "as if" compromises the directness of the statement by implying that they are unloaded, but we will treat them as though they are loaded. No good! Safety rules must be worded forcefully so that they are never treated lightly or reduced to partial compliance.

All guns are always loaded - period!

This must be your mind-set. If someone hands you a firearm and says, "Don't worry, it's not loaded," you do not dare believe him. You need not be impolite, but check it yourself. Remember, there are no accidents, only negligent acts. Check it. Do not let yourself fall prey to a situation where you might feel compelled to squeal, "I didn't know it was loaded!"




RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

Conspicuously and continuously violated, especially with pistols, Rule II applies whether you are involved in range practice, daily carry, or examination. If the weapon is assembled and in someone's hands, it is capable of being discharged. A firearm holstered properly, lying on a table, or placed in a scabbard is of no danger to anyone. Only when handled is there a need for concern. This rule applies to fighting as well as to daily handling. If you are not willing to take a human life, do not cover a person with the muzzle. This rule also applies to your own person. Do not allow the muzzle to cover your extremities, e.g. using both hands to reholster the pistol. This practice is unsound, both procedurally and tactically. You may need a free hand for something important. Proper holster design should provide for one-handed holstering, so avoid holsters which collapse after withdrawing the pistol. (Note: It is dangerous to push the muzzle against the inside edge of the holster nearest the body to "open" it since this results in your pointing the pistol at your midsection.) Dry-practice in the home is a worthwhile habit and it will result in more deeply programmed reflexes. Most of the reflexes involved in the Modern Technique do not require that a shot be fired. Particular procedures for dry-firing in the home will be covered later. Let it suffice for now that you do not dry-fire using a "target" that you wish not to see destroyed. (Recall RULE I as well.)




Rule III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

Rule III is violated most anytime the uneducated person handles a firearm. Whether on TV, in the theaters, or at the range, people seem fascinated with having their finger on the trigger. Never stand or walk around with your finger on the trigger. It is unprofessional, dangerous, and, perhaps most damaging to the psyche, it is klutzy looking. Never fire a shot unless the sights are superimposed on the target and you have made a conscious decision to fire. Firing an unaligned pistol in a fight gains nothing. If you believe that the defensive pistol is only an intimidation tool - not something to be used - carry blanks, or better yet, reevaluate having one around. If you are going to launch a projectile, it had best be directed purposely. Danger abounds if you allow your finger to dawdle inside the trigger guard. As soon as the sights leave the target, the trigger-finger leaves the trigger and straightens alongside the frame. Since the hand normally prefers to work as a unit - as in grasping - separating the function of the trigger-finger from the rest of the hand takes effort. The five-finger grasp is a deeply programmed reflex. Under sufficient stress, and with the finger already placed on the trigger, an unexpected movement, misstep or surprise could result in a negligent discharge. Speed cannot be gained from such a premature placement of the trigger-finger. Bringing the sights to bear on the target, whether from the holster or the Guard Position, takes more time than that required for moving the trigger finger an inch or so to the trigger.




RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

Know what it is, what is in line with it, and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything you have not positively identified. Be aware of your surroundings, whether on the range or in a fight. Do not assume anything. Know what you are doing.




SUMMARY:

Make these rules a part of your character. Never compromise them. Improper gunhandling results from ignorance and improper role modeling, such as handling your gun like your favorite actor does. Education can cure this. You can make a difference by following these gunhandling rules and insisting that those around you do the same. Set the example. Who knows what tragedies you, or someone you influence, may prevent?




Excerpted from: The Modern Technique of the Pistol, by Greg Morrison, Gunsite Press, Paulden, Arizona, ISBN 0-9621342-3-6, Library of Congress Number 91-72644

32 posted on 03/07/2002 9:48:58 AM PST by MikeJ
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To: HELLRAISER II; SauronOfMordor
I've had a comparable malfunction on a different rifle. It fired when I released the safety - but I did so on an UNLOADED rifle, POINTED AT A BACKSTOP, so no harm done. Something had gone wrong shortly after having trigger work done.

Truly mechanical malfunctions DO happen. Accidental discharges are real. Thing is, NEGLIGENT discharges are FAR more common.

33 posted on 03/07/2002 9:49:44 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: mamelukesabre
That is not the same thing. A firearm is a very simple device and anyone that owns one should be intelligent enough to know all the parts and their functions and be able to identify problems. If you are not aware of a problem with your firearm, YOU ARE TO BLAME FOR THAT IGNORANCE. not the manufacturer.

Basice maintenance of a firearm is the owners responsibility and if the owner is not smart enough to handle this task....then tough *.

Basic maitenance is indeed the responsiblity of the owner. If the firing pin drops on a chambered round when disengaging the saftey (and it had to be to cycle the round out of the chamber) of the rifle, then it is doing something it wasn't designed to do and I don't think it is the person who buys it place to go tinkering with it, especially if they have no idea what they are doing. Sure cleaning and maintenance. Filing and altering the weapon yourself is asking for trouble unless you are trained and know what you are doing. If my rifle did something like this I would take it to a smith and have it fixed asap. There is no excuse for having the gun pointed in the direction of anything valuable. A gun that fires when disengaging the safety, though, is broken and Remington is offering to fix it.

34 posted on 03/07/2002 10:09:08 AM PST by Noslrac
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To: Noslrac
A broken safety, or anything else that might be broken, is part of maintenance. It should be the owners responsibility to either fix it himself or get someone else to do it. If a firearm gets a "botched" fix, either by the owner or someone else, it is the owners responsibility to know about it and make it right. Ignorance is no excuse. Either educate yourself, or don't own a firearm.
35 posted on 03/07/2002 10:19:03 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: SauronOfMordor;mikej;noslrac
I realize that freak things do happen, but just like we all said "Never point your gun at anything you don't intend to shoot." That's always rule number 1, even if the guns unloaded.
36 posted on 03/07/2002 10:51:42 AM PST by HELLRAISER II
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To: Falcon4.0
Safety isn't a lever. It IS making sure that the muzzel is pointed in a safe direction!

Namely,at the ground.I think it's rule number 2.

37 posted on 03/07/2002 11:42:06 AM PST by kennyo
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To: HELLRAISER II
Never point your gun at anything you don't intend to shoot." That's always rule number 1, even if the guns unloaded.

I thought rule number 1 was to ascertain whether or not the gun is loaded.No matter,point well taken.

38 posted on 03/07/2002 11:44:44 AM PST by kennyo
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To: kennyo
O.K. your right it's rule #2, but one is as good as the other.
39 posted on 03/07/2002 11:46:56 AM PST by HELLRAISER II
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To: 45Auto
Pointing the weapon in a safe direction would have trumped any technical considerations. A safety is worthless without a safe owner/operator. My SIG has no safety but the trigger, and will never end up unintendedly killing someone.
40 posted on 03/07/2002 11:54:13 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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