Marital Rape - What a "Can of Worms"!

Strike the root ^ | Stuart A. Miller

[BikerNYC]

Video evidence of the woman screaming, or witnesses who saw the rape (which isn't likely in a marital situation) is about all I can think of. It's really a shame how quickly we toss out evidentiary standards when it comes to crimes like rape, anyone can claim anything.

So if a guy robs me on a street, and no one else sees him but me, and I get a good look at him, and am quite confident I know who it is and I identify him at the stationhouse, that's not good enough evidence for a conviction because no one else saw the guy rob me?

[mamelukesabre]

Sure, but I don't remember it. My grandmother showed it to me once when I was a kid. The point I was trying to make is that this was considered common knowledge back in their day and all knew and respected it and lived by it. Now people react to it with astonishment and contempt and outrage when they hear of it. Funny how fast people forget the basics. The liberals have profoundly changed the way people, even conservatives, think.

[Dimensio]

The point I was trying to make is that this was considered common knowledge back in their day and all knew and respected it and lived by it.

I don't consider it "common knowledge" that a woman should always, regardless of the circumstances, be ready to "service" her husband and I can't respect that kind of thinking (sorry, I guess I'm not "tolerant" of other cultures).

[Harrison Bergeron]

"Who's trying to pass these commie "marital rape" laws, anyway?"

I have a clue: The Russian effort to abolish marriage in 1920

[homeschool mama]

**If a woman is severely beaten, the man can be charged with the beating. But blood, semen, and testimony from a man's wife can hardly be considered convincing evidence. **

Many times a rape will leave a woman with vaginal tearing and abrasions. In addition, welts and bruises from force can appear. When a woman is raped, her emotions will back up her physical wounds.

I have a loving husband so please don't think I'm some feminist and support the Marital Rape law. But I have been raped and know the result of that.

[homeschool mama]

I'll have to go look for the specific passage but the Bible does say that in marriage our bodies belong to each other..and not to withhold intimacy from each other. It's important to note that in a healthy marriage there is a respect that needs to be evident..not forcing one spouse into intimacy but to respect their occasional need for not becoming intimate. This respect goes both ways. It's far better to enjoy sex mutually rather than one person enjoying it solely. :o)

[homeschool mama]

Please read my post #66. Thanks.

[mamelukesabre]

I don't consider it "common knowledge"

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What you consider common knowledge has nothing to do with what I posted.

[mamelukesabre]

You are basically ignoring my post. I am telling you that only 70 years ago it was universally accepted by church going bible thumpers (male AND female) that wives were not to refuse sex as per commanded in the bible. I find it odd how people are so determined not to aknowledge this fact. What are you afraid of? Why the stubborness on this issue?

[xm177e2]

Many times a rape will leave a woman with vaginal tearing and abrasions. In addition, welts and bruises from force can appear. When a woman is raped, her emotions will back up her physical wounds.

That's why women have to call an ambulance immediately, so the authorities can get this evidence. In those cases, it's much easier to prosecute.

[FreeTally]

I'll have to go look for the specific passage but the Bible does say that in marriage our bodies belong to each other..and not to withhold intimacy from each other.

Its Psalms or Proverbs - I was just reading it a few months ago. I believe that most Biblical theologists understand that the reason for this "commandment" by God is to stop adultery, because our creator understands our sinful nature, and that a husband or wife will seek intimacy elsewhere if their spouse does not provide it. I think sociteies warped view of sex these days makes it impossible for many to understand the proper role of sex and why God may say such things as He does in the passages we are refering to.

[mamelukesabre]

That's pretty much the way I understood it too.

I can tell you that both my grandmothers beleived that any woman that refuses sex is committing a sin and is to be held responsible WHEN her husband later commits adultery. (not "if") Their beleif was that if a woman refuses sex, she is giving her husband a "free pass" to go find a mistress.

Today, women would say that any woman that believes this is ignorant and "controlled" by an overbearing, sexist, abusive, husband and that social services should intervene to protect her from her ignorance.

[Bush2000]

Guys, this just proves the necessity of taking your time before getting married. I would advocate at least several years of dating and/or cohabitation before you even consider it. Know your partner before you go down that road.

[Bush2000]

Their beleif was that if a woman refuses sex, she is giving her husband a "free pass" to go find a mistress.

Actually, I agree with that notion, unless the wife has some kind of debilitating injury or medical condition which predludes her from doing it. If she's merely "holding out", all bets are off.

[wimpycat]

You can't be seriously suggesting that force is justified if the wife is "holding out". You must not have expressed what you really meant to say.

If the husband is in the mood and the wife isn't, a lot of times it has nothing at all to do with the husband's behavior, either in bed or out of bed, but...sometimes it does.

[AppyPappy]

Is that you, James Carville? (Mary Matalin said he had the same opinion)

[AppyPappy]

In the bible it says it is a sin for a woman to refuse to have sex with her husband, therefore is it impossible for a husband to rape his wife

Proof please.

[mamelukesabre]

Your post gives the impression that the "implied 24/7 consent" is a technicality and that it is actually not very moral or christian-like for a husband to "hold his wife to it". I will tell you that if my grandmothers were alive today, they would inform you that for a woman to have your attitude is also sinfull. The term used was "begrudging". That means that not only should a wife never refuse, but she should also not express any UNWILLINGNESS. They made this point very clear to me more than once. Your opinion on the matter seems to endorse "begrudging".

[Bush2000]

You can't be seriously suggesting that force is justified if the wife is "holding out". You must not have expressed what you really meant to say.

Sorry I wasn't more clear. No, I'm saying that sustained refusal of sex gives him a pretty good reason to get a mistress. I would never advocate forcible rape under any circumstances.