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'Bombing Saddam is ignorance'
The UK Guardian Unlimited ^ | Sunday March 3, 2002 | Henry Porter (The Observer)

Posted on 03/04/2002 5:31:27 PM PST by vannrox

Sunday March 3, 2002




'Bombing Saddam is ignorance'




Robert Baer, the ex-CIA man in Iraq during the failed uprising in 1995, says the US is not in a position to strike against Iraq because it does not understand anything about the country


Robert Baer's objections to an attack on Iraq could hardly be principled. As the CIA's point man in Iraq during the failed uprising in 1995, he encouraged dissident groups to believe that the United States wanted the overthrow and death of Saddam Hussein. Yet Baer, whose memoir of life in the CIA, See No Evil, is published in Britain tomorrow, is appalled at the idea of a US strike against Iraq today. 'If the US is to bomb Saddam and his army until there is no army, what comes after that? No one is discussing the ethnic composition of Iraq or what Iran is likely to do.'


Few in America appreciate the tribal ethnic and religious faultlines that run through the Middle East as Baer does. Iraq is particularly divided. In the south there is a Shia majority which now looks to Iran for support. Occupying the geographical and political centre of the country are the followers of the Sunni sect, which includes Saddam's tribe, and in the north are the Kurds, who are split into two warring parties, the PUK and the KDU.


'The US is in no position to rejigger this because we don't understand anything about the country. If I were the Iranians, for instance, I would try to set up a state in southern Iraq and add three million barrels a day to my account. That could begin to rival Saudi Arabia. Of course, I don't know this is going to happen, but the US government doesn't know either. The heart of the debate is about taking out all Saddam's tanks in a couple of weeks.'


Baer worked for the CIA's Directorate of Operations for 25 years, with postings in Sudan, Lebanon, Iraq, Tajikistan, India and Europe. His devastating portrait of the agency's decline adds much to the understanding of why America was caught off guard on 11 September, but as important is what he has to say about American sluggishness when it comes to institutional reform.


Towards the end of his time, he searched CIA computer for files on subjects that interested him, for example, the Pasdaran (the Iranian Intelligence service), the Saudi royal family and Syria.


'You know what? There was nothing there. Nothing. They didn't have anything. That's America now, you know. It can't reform.'


After a quarter of century abroad, Baer hardly recognises the States and is appalled at the level of public ignorance.


'There is no debate,' he says. 'People will not address the question of Palestine in the context of the World Trade Centre attacks. It's not in the terms of the discussion. They simply believe that Israel has the right to defend its democracy like the US does. They don't understand that Israel gives no democratic rights to the Palestinians whatsoever. They don't see that it's not a democracy.'


An affable but watchful man in his late forties, Baer is aware that the CIA is mightily displeased with his first literary effort. It can't help that the book has been on the New York Times ' bestseller list for four weeks in a row; that Warner Brothers bought an option and hope to develop the project with the team that made Traffic ; and that Baer is never off US television, often doing three national shows in an evening.


He seems to have few regrets about leaving the CIA. 'I would rather drive a taxi than serve in the CIA,' he says convincingly over lunch at the Alistair Little restaurant in West London.


'Don't ask me how it happened, but the people who work in it just don't match up to the people who got to Silicon Valley or the people who make cruise missiles or design derivatives.'


It's in the innocuous detail that Baer's book is telling. At one point he remembers taking over from a female officer in the Paris station and being handed her list of contacts and agents. When he followed them up, he found that instead of using them to gather intelligence she had been trying to recruit them to a religious sect. The serving US ambassador to France was also involved in the sect. When the two of them were observed handing out leaflets in the street, the French security service thought some kind of operation was in progress.


With good reason he is a pessimist about the CIA and US foreign policymaking. Examples of incompetence abound in See No Evil . In 1986, he was contacted in Germany by the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood who wanted a meeting. He went to Dortmund and listened to Syrian con tacts propose an intelligence alliance against President Assad. He wrote up a report (on a typewriter, whose ribbon he destroyed afterwards) and sent it to the US embassy in Bonn. A message came back that they weren't interested.


But that was not the last he heard of it. In the wake of 11 September, 16 years later, the FBI contacted Baer to say that associates of the Syrian contacts had been involved in al-Qaeda. That channel, closed down so peremptorily, might have led them to Mohamed Atta.


Over lunch we circled the problem of Iraq. He mentioned that it is easily within Saddam's power to forestall the long-announced air attacks from US bases in Diego Garcia. He could, says Baer, 'simply move his tanks into Syria and proclaim that he was going to liberate the Palestinians', thus pitching Israel into a war with an Arab state.


If there is a fault in Baer's analysis of the Iraqi problem, it is that while he acknowledges Saddam's willingness to use force against civilians he does not believe that the accumulation of weapons of mass destruction is anything but defensive.


Baer says we should look at it through Saddam's regional mentality and that his chief concern is, as it always has been, Iran.


·See No Evil, by Robert Baer, Crown Publications £12.99.




TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: baer; bobbaer; cia; geopolitics; iraq; johnkerry; kerrystaff; kerrystaffer; robbaer; robertbaer; terrorwar
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To: Bommer
Whats to understand? Drop bomb, kill lots of people to a point where surviors quit!

This was the brilliant strategy used in Yugoslavia that empowered Albanian forces of narco-terrorism. The situation now requires a never-ending US troop presence in southern Europe to contain the mess.

21 posted on 03/18/2002 11:39:11 PM PST by Longshanks
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To: Longshanks
I don't understand how we expect to keep this vast pipeline system soon to be built throughout the Balkans/Central Asian corridors operational with killing 1/3 of the population or lining both sides with American troops 3 deep.

Of course it will be taxpayer backed loans that build these things, taxpayer dollars that pay for the military presence to secure them, and taxpayer aid that goes to buy the affection of whatever political hack will do our bidding.

22 posted on 03/19/2002 4:21:31 AM PST by steve50
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To: Black Jade
The lack of information from the media is appalling. Of course, the minority of us who like to stay informed resort to other sources, such as FR posts.

Overthrowing the current Iraqi government, and replacing it with a secular, democratic government, is very important to the security of the US. I think the recent Bush Administration leak of our nuclear weapons policy gives fair warning to Iran of what they can expect if they interfere with our wishes in Iraq. Cheney's visit to Middle Eastern countries is unprecedented and no doubt meant to sent a very clear message about our plans and expectations. There is much that is going on behind the scenes, neccessarily so. We elect leaders to take care of such matters, leaders in whom we place our trust. If they abuse such trust, there are many ways to deal with it.

23 posted on 03/19/2002 9:00:20 AM PST by TheDon
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To: Black Jade
Lemmee see.


24 posted on 03/19/2002 4:00:03 PM PST by Boyd
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To: Black Jade
bump
25 posted on 03/19/2002 7:13:37 PM PST by mafree
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To: vannrox
Partition Iraq into 3 administrative districts. Let Turkey administer the north, Iran administer the south, and Jordan administer the middle.
26 posted on 03/19/2002 7:22:17 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: *Geopolitics;*TerrorWar
Check the Bump List folders for articles related to and descriptions of the above topic(s) or for other topics of interest.
28 posted on 03/28/2002 1:59:18 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: Black Jade
There's an article on the back page of the first section of today's Wall Street Journal about the different Iraqis various factions in the U.S. government are supporting to take Saddam's place.
29 posted on 03/28/2002 2:01:00 PM PST by aristeides
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To: Black Jade
bttt
31 posted on 03/28/2002 2:10:28 PM PST by mafree
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To: vannrox, Justin Raimondo
I wonder why it is not published in the US? Or is it?

Sure it is, Rain Man over here publishes articles like this liberal crap all the time in Anti-war

32 posted on 03/28/2002 2:13:31 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Illbay;CommiesOut;jmp702;GROUCHOTWO;sneakypete
After a quarter of century abroad, Baer hardly recognises the States and is appalled at the level of public ignorance.

'There is no debate,' he says. 'People will not address the question of Palestine in the context of the World Trade Centre attacks. It's not in the terms of the discussion. They simply believe that Israel has the right to defend its democracy like the US does. They don't understand that Israel gives no democratic rights to the Palestinians whatsoever. They don't see that it's not a democracy.'


Comrades what kind of talk is this?
33 posted on 03/28/2002 2:39:57 PM PST by mv1
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To: Black Jade
No doubt events are in flux in the Middle East. But you can be sure that we will not be leaving governments hostile to the United States and the West in power. Iraq and Iran are two countries with governments which support transnational terrorists, most likely those which have attacked the US. In any case, they must be confronted, and if neccessary removed from power. That they are in the process of obtaining weapons of mass destruction only makes it that much more important that they be stopped sooner than later.
34 posted on 03/28/2002 4:12:41 PM PST by TheDon
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To: Boyd
What did Ritter crticize the Clinton administration for?

What is he criticizing the "present group" for,four years removed from any direct knowledge of the situation?

Now do you understand why he is,at best,an idiot?I believe he is a Saddam sympathizer.

35 posted on 03/28/2002 4:22:45 PM PST by John W
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To: John W
uh-huh
36 posted on 03/28/2002 6:30:24 PM PST by Boyd
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To: mv1
Comrades what kind of talk is this?

Just the kind of talk which the Guardian, which hates America and Israel about equally rabidly, would eat up with a spoon. Ignorant Americans - Israel is to blame - wonderful!

Baer may know some things about CIA incompetence, especially during the Clinton era. But that give us no reason to give a large moose evacuation about his views of the Big Picture.

He just wrote a book, after all, and now he needs to keep up his media exposure in order to sell it. And I think we know what kind of opinions get media exposure in the US and Britain. In this guy's case it sounds like there's an added factor of revenge on all those who failed to appreciate his savvy brilliance.

37 posted on 03/28/2002 6:44:11 PM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: ratcat
If you get the chance..read Zbigniew Brzenski's CFR work.. "The Grand Chessboard"- American Primacy and its Geostrategic Imperatives.
Clintons mishandling on the "Pipeline" expansion thru several unstable regions may have been a set back..yet the "Afganistan expansion" model has worked exceedingly well ....many "Brand new" U.S. military facilites now appear from the Balkans to Pakistan.

Sure...Russia was given a large "Piece of the action"..large oil and gas contracts to Europe..liquidity city!...yet..the "Nearness" of American corporate power and Military positioning will undoubtadly force Moscow to counter via countries like Iran..Syria and Lebanon.
Its in Russias best interest to "Agitiate" radical Islamic elements in the Gulf..and in the former Muslim Soviet Bloc nations.
Stir the pot....and see what comes of it.

39 posted on 03/28/2002 8:28:48 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: Black Jade
BTTT!!!!
40 posted on 03/29/2002 2:37:08 AM PST by E.G.C.
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