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Kenosha Dig Points to Europe as Origin of First Americans
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ^ | 3-4-02 | John Fauber

Posted on 03/04/2002 12:05:29 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic

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To: blam
What do you believe about the dinosaur figurines and what would you prefer that we believe?

I'm teasing... Among my guilty pleasures are appetites for science fiction and entertaining pseudo-science. Good mental junk food.

I think the Mystery of Acamabaro revolves around how the hoax was pulled off, because it's an elaborate one. Something like 35,000 figurines.




61 posted on 03/04/2002 6:34:39 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: machman
Well, he certainly didn't like it. A whole lot a EVOLVIN' going on down dere!!!
62 posted on 03/04/2002 6:34:48 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: dighton; Orual

The Kenosha Kickers had some really big hits... you know, back in the 70's.

63 posted on 03/04/2002 6:36:53 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Sabertooth
I can't tell the real story of the Mysterious Dinosaurs of Acambro, but I'd need to see a report from a more trustworthy source. (There are internal hints that the figurines are a hoax, of course.)

I saw www.bible.ca's "Cretacious" Miner's Hammer a year or so ago. IOW, that site is a joke.

64 posted on 03/04/2002 6:37:08 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
I can't tell the real story of the Mysterious Dinosaurs of Acambro, but I'd need to see a report from a more trustworthy source. (There are internal hints that the figurines are a hoax, of course.)

See my #61.

I've got Charles H. Hapgood's "Mystery in Acambaro." It's almost as good as Velikovsky, Hollow Earth, or Attenuated Gravity theories.

I dabble in Sci Fi screenplays, so I gobble this crap up... Good, fun research.




65 posted on 03/04/2002 6:42:31 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: VadeRetro
(There are internal hints that the figurines are a hoax, of course.)

The following fits in there somewhere.

THERMOLUMINESCENCE DATING OF ART OBJECTS

Ceramics from Indonesia and much of Oceania are not suitable for TL dating (and virtually all objects from West Mexico in the New World share this unfortunate problem).

From the Acambaro link(in the link notice where Guadalajara is in relation to the find.)

Eighteen samples were subjected to thermoluminescent testing by the University of Pennsylvania, all of which gave dates of approximately 2500 BC. These results were subsequently withdrawn when it was learned that some of the samples were from dinosaurs.

But, let me link the original

THE DINOSAURS OF ACAMBARO

Plus some more Dinos


66 posted on 03/04/2002 7:09:24 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: VadeRetro
"Cretacious" Miner's Hammer

It appears as if there is plenty of wood for carbon dating.

67 posted on 03/04/2002 7:15:35 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: Redbob
Please, NO! Anywhere but France, home of the cheese-eating surrender monkeys!

Perhaps their cheese-eating French origin can explain why Wisconsin is such a large producer of cheese today.

68 posted on 03/04/2002 7:29:37 PM PST by StopGlobalWhining
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To: Sabertooth
3. Politics. If the first New World humans were European, then none of the three remnant linguistic/genetic groups of Asiatic stock gets to claim "Native American" status any more than me, as a native Californian. Peaceful "Native Americans" in harmony with nature bs will be dealt another blow.

Vine Deloria claims the American Indians were here from the beginning and his "Red Earth, White Lies" makes a shambles of the standard "Overkill Hypothesis" which is taught in university courses. Anybody interested in American prehistory should have a copy.

69 posted on 03/04/2002 7:36:01 PM PST by medved
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To: Sabertooth
The figurines you mention may or may not be a hoax; Agawa Rock is definitely not a hoax.


70 posted on 03/04/2002 7:41:56 PM PST by medved
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To: AndrewC
From your Acambaro link...

"In the 1940s and 1950s the Iguanodon was completely unknown. No hoaxer could have known of the Iguanodon existence much less made a model, for it wasn't until 1978 of 1979 that skeletons of adult Iguanodons were found with nests and babies. (2)"

What's wrong with this statement?

Iguanadons were the very first dinosaurs to be identified as such in the early 1800s.

Swift is probably confusing the 1978 discovery of Maiasauria nests by Jack Horner.




71 posted on 03/04/2002 7:45:08 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Like Candy from a baby.

(Please! Your Flaherty will get you nowhere).

72 posted on 03/04/2002 7:46:30 PM PST by dighton
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To: AndrewC
It appears as if there is plenty of wood for carbon dating.

I understand that the artifact has not been made available for carbon dating. Pity.

(PS: There's a telling reference to concretion in the original article.)

75 posted on 03/05/2002 6:04:57 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: StopGlobalWhining
Perhaps their cheese-eating French origin can explain why Wisconsin is such a large producer of cheese today.

LOL! As a proud Cheesehead, the cheesemaking came from the Swiss, Germans and Dutch. The French were here for a while, as fur traders, not cheesemakers, but they got bored and moved to Quebec.

76 posted on 03/05/2002 6:58:43 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: AndrewC
More than I wanted to know about thermoluminescence, but thanks for it.

(Now I can be the life of the party!)

77 posted on 03/05/2002 9:04:28 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: claud
Ping-o-rama
78 posted on 03/05/2002 9:11:05 AM PST by Antoninus
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To: MozartLover
And they were all cheeseheads. Every one.

Yes, and some of us continued the migration further south and took our triangular cheese shaped hats with us.

79 posted on 03/05/2002 9:27:32 AM PST by Cheesehead in Texas
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To: WIMom
Where should I allocate my donation? To the legal defense fund or the regular FR account.
80 posted on 03/05/2002 9:31:17 AM PST by Coleus
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