Atomic Threat- Officials Warn: "It's going to be worse, and a lot of people are going to die"

Matt Drudge ^ | 030302 | AntiDemoCommie

[antidemocommie]

"Counterterrorism experts and government officials interviewed by TIME say that for all the relative calm since Sept. 11, America’s luck will probably run out again, sooner or later." "It's going to be worse, and a lot of people are going to die," warns one U.S. counterterrorism official. "I don't think there's a damn thing we're going to be able to do about it."

Read on:...That made the DRAGONFIRE report alarming. So did this: detonated in lower Manhattan, a 10-kiloton bomb would kill some 100,000 civilians and irradiate 700,000 more, flattening everything in a half-mile diameter.

The following is more information that you can use to protect yourself, and your family. Also, in your opinion, is the administration correct? Are we likely to see a ten kiloton device set off inside the country? Please keep in mind that this kind of nuke is very small, and easily carried by one or two persons, today.

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Blast Zones

Breakdown of Atomic Blast Zones

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Diagram Outline

[1] Vaporization Point

Everything is vaporized by the atomic blast.
98% fatalities.
Overpress=25 psi. Wind velocity=320 mph.

[2] Total Destruction

All structures above ground are destroyed.
90% fatalities
Overpress=17 psi. Wind velocity=290 mph.

[3] Severe Blast Damage

Factories and other large-scale building collapse. Severe damage to highway bridges. Rivers sometimes flow countercurrent.
65% fatalities, 30% injured.
Overpress=9 psi. Wind velocity=260 mph.

[4] Severe Heat Damage

Everything flammable burns. People in the area suffocate due to the fact that most available oxygen is consumed by the fires.
50% fatalities, 45% injured.
Overpress=6 psi. Wind velocity=140 mph.

[5] Severe Fire & Wind Damage

Residency structures are severely damaged. People are blown around. 2nd and 3rd-degree burns suffered by most survivors.
15% dead. 50% injured.
Overpress=3 psi. Wind velocity=98 mph.

Blast Zone Radii

3 different bomb types

	10 KILOTONS	1 MEGATON	20 MEGATONS
Zone	Airburst - 1,980 ft	Airburst - 8,000 ft	Airburst - 17,500 ft
1	0.5 miles	2.5 miles	8.75 miles
2	1 mile	3.75 miles	14 miles
3	1.75 miles	6.5 miles	27 miles
4	2.5 miles	7.75 miles	31 miles
5	3 miles	10 miles	35 miles

Note

• The bomb dropped on Hiroshima was 20 Kilotons
• The bomb dropped on Nagasaki was less than 10 Kilotons

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Hiroshima

Hiroshima

As many know, atomic bombs have been used only twice in warfare. The first and foremost blast site of the atomic bomb is Hiroshima. A Uranium bomb (which weighed in at over 4 & 1/2 tons) nicknamed "Little Boy" was dropped on Hiroshima August 6th, 1945. The Aioi Bridge, one of 81 bridges connecting the seven-branched delta of the Ota River, was the aiming point of the bomb. Ground Zero was set at 1,980 feet. At 0815 hours, the bomb was dropped from the Enola Gay. It missed by only 800 feet. At 0816 hours, in the flash of an instant, 66,000 people were killed and 69,000 people were injured by a 20 kiloton atomic explosion.

The point of total vaporization from the blast measured one half of a mile in diameter. Total destruction ranged at one mile in diameter. Severe blast damage carried as far as two miles in diameter. At two and a half miles, everything flammable in the area burned. The remaining area of the blast zone was riddled with serious blazes that stretched out to the final edge at a little over three miles in diameter.

Nagasaki

On August 9th 1945, Nagasaki fell to the same treatment as Hiroshima. Only this time, a Plutonium bomb nicknamed "Fat Man" was dropped on the city. Even though the "Fat Man" missed by over a mile and a half, it still leveled nearly half the city. Nagasaki's population dropped in one split-second from 422,000 to 383,000. 39,000 were killed, over 25,000 were injured. That blast was less than 10 kilotons as well. Estimates from physicists who have studied each atomic explosion state that the bombs that were used had utilized only 1/10th of 1 percent of their respective explosive capabilities.

[Cobra64]

My bet has been on the west coast since they seem to have gotten over the "terror" and have pretty much discounted any problem. The terrorists want people to be terrorized, California has pretty much "moved on".

The impression on the right coast (and from my left coast friends) is that CA never really understood the dynamic of what happened here on 9/11. A college buddy (1971 grad) told me that CA won't buy into national security issues until the Golden Gate bridge (or equivalent)is taken out.

Until then, tick... tick... tick.

PS: I wonder what Babbs Streisand and her liberal Hollywood friends will think? Hmmm. Film at 11...

[mommadooo3]

The only possible response to a nuke must be an immediate counterstrike with hundreds of nuclear weapons on every Islamic country, followed by a biological attack on the survivors. Unless this is done, the United States will be destroyed, one city at a time, until it is no more. Life or death, choose.
You, sir, are willing to see the elephant in the living room. For the rest of us, it'll be far too late.

Perhaps the govt knows that the nuke is already here and that is WHY Bush talks about the axis of evil??? (not to mention that 'spiffy' shadow govt)

So, IF there IS a nukleer event, do the terrs REALIZE how short-lived the lives of themselves AND their women/children will BE???

[My Favorite Headache]

A New York City blast would also take out the United Nations, a much despised target of terrorists. It isn't a good time to be living in the Big Apple....>>>>

Well with Bloomberg already slipping up there,Clinton being there, the U.N., and Fortune 500 companies now wanting out of their leases...NYC to me is looking horrible.

[My Favorite Headache]

PS: I wonder what Babbs Streisand and her liberal Hollywood friends will think? Hmmm. Film at 11...

I would hope one thing would come from the next attack. The Hollywood elite and media scum would all move to Austrailia after it and keep Clinton there with them.

[TLBSHOW]

Again I say Nuke North Korea and the rest will give up. If not we nuke them one at a time IraQ, Iran, China, and we do it till they give up and long before they have a chance to nuke us.

[blueriver]

On 9/11, 9/12 ect.. I expected George Bush to mandate that the borders be immediately closed and all foreigners deported. We were attacked and the response from George Bush should have been to immediately protect our shores. When this did not occur I immediately knew that the U.S. government did not have the political will to protect it's citizens.

[My Favorite Headache]

Hawaii was on my list because of tidal wave factor. Can you imagine this scenario? Do this during hurricane season off the Baja of Cali. Right when you have 2 hurricanes spinning out there...total chaos...absolute total chaos.The blowback would be insane and reach from sea to shining sea.

[Petronski]

I would detonate on the west coast for one important reason: prevailing winds. It will almost certainly be a ground-level detonation, so why waste all of that delicious fallout over the Atlantic, when it could be spread like Allah's breath over demon America?

[My Favorite Headache]

TLB I am with you. North Korea is an axis and should be taken out. We went through this last night and I am sure we will go through 2 dozen more threads just like it until something happens of magnitude in this country to address that option.

[My Favorite Headache]

I said the same thing 1 minute before you...great minds thinking alike here...or sick?

[WRhine]

You honestly think that in an effort to be politically correct and reward some business interests President Bush would risk the safety and perhaps sacrifice the lives of thousands of Americans? If you think that, you and I have nothing in common.

I think Bush is under the deluded notion that he can effectively combat domestic terrorism while keeping the gates to America wide open. I also believe he has it in his mind that reforming our reckless immigration policies is tantamount to capitulating to the terrorists.

Oh by the way, from 10/1-11/1 we let in some 7,000 immigrants from terrorist nations. How through do you think these background checks are when they flow in at that rate? And perhaps a better question is: Why should our government incur the additional costs to investigate groups of people that, in addition to posing a terrorist threat, for the most part don't particularly like our culture and values anyway?

[Petronski]

great minds thinking alike here...or sick?

To me (as to you) it just seems obvious: given prevailing wind, the fallout would take two or three days to cross the country, and USA would be shut down (regardless of the actual danger, people would FREAK).

[WhatWouldReaganDo]

I'm concerned that a Russian nuke detonated in the U.S. may not be stolen at all.
Wouldn't an all-out war between the U.S. and Muslim countries be to Russia's benefit?

What if the rumors of missing or stolen nukes from Russia are propaganda designed to divert attention elsewhere?

[Jesse]

And as long as you're going to spread fallout, why not wrap the bomb with cobalt, a few lbs of gold, some strontium, and any leftover plutonium to make it good and dirty fallout.

Someone here mentioned setting off a nuke in a ship...I would think that would be the way to go in New York...although you wouldn't get the air burst damage, seems to me a mini-tsunami would do a great deal of extra damage.

[Dan Day]

People are so short-sighted and focused only on the next moment. I said at the time of the September 11th terrorist attacks that the United States should have launched a total world-wide nuclear attack against ALL Muslim nations, Morth Korea and China.

That's because you're insane.

We can act now, unilaterally, to destroy Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sudan, Eygpt, Palestine, Libya, China, and North Korea, or we can suffer the tragedy and torment that will continue against us FOREVER more. They will not stop until the last true American patriot is decapitated and killed.

And you think that wouldn't be even MORE the case if you nuked a few billion people? If you did that, the remaining billion or two would *ALL* be trying to "decapitate and kill" us, either to avenge their innocent dead, or to prevent us from doing it again the next time we got cranky.

Right now, it's only a relative handful of nutcases who are after our blood. Your "solution" would enrage the entire world against us, and righly so.

Grow up -- this is not a comic book, or a bad action movie, this is real life.

[OKSooner]

I agree. I don't see what the point is at scaring the hell out of people over the general proposition of something like this. (BTW, for the more reactionary among us, it's "Martial Law", not "Marshall Law".)

[Dan Day]

The only possible response to a nuke must be an immediate counterstrike with hundreds of nuclear weapons on every Islamic country, followed by a biological attack on the survivors. Unless this is done, the United States will be destroyed, one city at a time, until it is no more. Life or death, choose.

Ah, another "seen too many bad movies" analyst...

News flash: We don't have enough nukes to wipe out even half of the people you'd like to commit genocide on. While nukes are nasty as hell, they're not the magic weapons of total destruction that you imagine they are. If we fired every nuke in our arsenal at your targets, well over half of their populations would survive in one way or another (and likewise even if you went wild with biological attacks).

Now, imagine just how pissed the survivors would be (most of which had nothing to do with any terrorism in the first place, nor did their dead friends and relatives). Congratulations, you've just made a billion fanatical terrorists dedicated to our destruction, where once were only a few tens of thousands. And our former allies would hardly stand in their way after we had become the Angel of Death either.

Grow up, this situation requires far more finesse than you are capable of. You would pour a billion gallons of gasoline on a brushfire.

[Miss Marple]

The object of shutting the borders would be to keep terrorists out, I presume. Why would you think this would do any good, when they can sneak over the border along the thousands of miles of wilderness between us and Canada? Or debark from a boat at any one of thousands and thousands of miles of coastline?

At least if they get off a plane at an airport you know someone is here. If they get off a boat at night up in Maine and are picked up on a back road by a contact, who even knows they are here?

The point is this: in a situation like this you have to use your resources to the best of your ability. We don't have thousands of extra troops to string out along the Canadian border. We don't have time to deal with all the attorneys that would file lawsuits if you did a deportation. You don't know why this wasn't done, but I would bet cash money I have a better idea than yours.

Persist in seein the President as weak if you must. He has been underestimated many times before.

[greyfoxx39]

Ping!!

[TLBSHOW]

I BELIEVE THE NUKE FIRST OPITION IS READY AND ON THE TABLE.