[willyone]

Lets not let the Chinese down. They are counting on us to supply them with the money to use in our destruction. So get out to China Mart and shop like there is no tomorrow. because there just may not be.

[Orangedog]

Nice to see the latest item that the Chinese picket up at the Russian yard sale. This particular sale was nice and public because, let's face it, an aircraft carrier is pretty hard to hide. Hard to tell what else has been sold to them.

It looks like whatever the Chinese couldn't steal from us (or aquire as "gifts" from x42 and company), they can buy from what used to be the Soviet Union.

[MadRobotArtist]

They got all of their technology from the Clinton administration to make this aircraft carrier seaworthy. The transfer of sensitive technology took place in 1998. I wrote an article about this in 1998, and early 1999. They got the technology in exchange for campaign funds. They got 4 cray supercomputers, satellite navigations systems, as well as plans for our missile systems.

They bought it under the pretense of turning it into a so called floating casino, but instead have given it a refit. It will be an aircraft carrier, within 2 years. It will be an attack grade carrier as well. All thanks to the Russians and the Clinton Administration.

[green team 1999]

VTOL cruiser Minsk, Project 1143 "Krechet", underway. Second of the Kiev class Taktycheskiy Avionosnyy Kreyser (TAKR; Tactical Aviation Cruisers), this ship served in the Pacifc. She went to South Korean shipbreakers in 1995 with her sister Novorossiysk; both had suffered major fires. Surpisingly, however, Minsk has been resold to Chinese interests, and is now moored in a Chinese port, reportedly for use as a casino/entertainment complex.

information at some point is not accurate,one or two carriers?
minsk was operational in the pacific,the other one never finish,so how many the chicoms got?

[hoot2]

"Whatever plans have been made, in mid-2000, a Dutch tug with a Filipino crew was hired to take Varyag under tow"

disguise it as a 'nafta truck'; n smuggle the "whole world" into the u.s.

[Jhoffa_]

Why develop your own, when you can just buy the technology and xerox it?

[rightwing2]

China Reform Monitor No. 431, February 25, 2002
American Foreign Policy Council, Washington, D.C.
http://www.afpc.org

Editor: Al Santoli

CHINESE OFFICIALS HARASS DISSIDENTS, CENSOR BUSH SPEECH; AIRCRAFT CARRIER "CASINO" HEADED TO CHINESE NAVAL BASE

February 24: The mystery of a Soviet-built aircraft carrier bought by a Macau company to be a "floating casino" took a new twist when it was revealed that its destination was Dalian, the site of one of the mainland's key naval shipyards, the South China Morning Post reports. The 60,000-ton Varyag, was released following a two-year diplomatic tussle after Beijing offered Turkey a US$ 361 million passage fee - despite denials from Beijing it was behind the Varyag purchase from Ukraine. A Turkish source said: "It was quite clear that the Chinese Government was very determined to see that the Varyag reached Chinese waters - there was involvement at the very highest levels." Foreign diplomatic and military observers believe Beijing is footing the bill because it is planning to use the Varyag as a template for future PLA navy carrier designs. Senior naval officers have made no secret of their ambitions to project China's burgeoning military power with the use of large aircraft carriers.

Copyright (c) 2002, American Foreign Policy Council

The article you posted only gives part of the story. This excerpt from the China Reform Monitor provides the rest. Ever since 1997 when Communist China purcased the Varyag, the PRC has floated the blatant disinformation story that the ship was purchased as a floating casino--propaganda so obvious as to be absurd on its face. When I worked at the Center for Security Policy in a few years ago, I challenged the current Executive VP's lame belief in the veracity of this ChiCom propaganda. Since 1999, I have been arguing that the PRC purchased the Russian supercarrier, Varyag, to use as the model to build her own class of 60,000 ton aircraft carriers. Several months after I presented this hypothesis, several articles came out about a new ChiCom plan to build a new class of 60,000 ton aircraft carriers. Now we learn that despite the fact that a ChiCom front company bought Varyag for only $20 million, they were willing to pay the Turks $361 million to let it pass through the Bosporous Straights. Now, its showing up at one of the four main ChiCom shipbuilding yards after having passed through the ChiCom controlled Suez Canal. So much for the 'mystery' of the fate of the Varyag. This so-called 'mystery' has now been completely resolved by the course of events.

[Archaeus]

Wake up! China is a very old Nation and very patient. If they have to wait a hundred years to grind us under their boots so be it. But at the present pace it will be a lot sooner.

It's building up it's military and they're doing it for a reason.
Anyone want to take a shot at why they are building up?
Think!

Do you want to be around in 10 or 20 years when they have a FLEET of carriers? Casino my eye!
If the world thinks it can control China by giving it technology, industry, military equipment, a giant balance of trade and secrets it's not only stupid but suicidal.

Why don't we just give them Korea and Taiwan now and save them the trouble of having to destroy us for it.
Holy crimoley! There must be something in the water!

[WIMom]

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[fella]

This thing was towed through international waters for monthes and there are no pictures of it?