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Soviet aircraft carrier Varyag towed to Dalian Shipyard in North Eastern China
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Posted on 03/02/2002 6:30:15 PM PST by Bob Evans

Soviet aircraft carrier Varyag towed to Dalian Shipyard in North Eastern China

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Varyag was to be a Kuznetsov-class multirole aircraft carrier.  She was known as Riga when her keel was laid down at [Nikolayev South] (formerly Shipyard 444) on December 6, 1985, and she was launched on December 4, 1988, but she was renamed Varyag ("viking") in late 1990.

Construction stopped by 1992 with the ship structurally complete but without electronics.  Ownership was transferred to the Ukraine as the Soviet Union broke up and the ship was laid up unmaintained, then stripped.  In early 1998, she lacked engines, a rudder, and much of her operating systems.  She was put up for auction.

In April, Ukrainian Trade Minister Roman Shprek announced the winning bid -- US$20 million from a small Hong Kong company called the [Chong Lot Travel Agency] Ltd.  Chong Lot proposed to tow Varyag out of the Black Sea, through the Suez Canal and around southern Asia to Macao, where they would moor the ship and convert it into a floating hotel and gambling parlor.

However, considerable evidence suggested that the future of Varyag is linked to the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) and its program to develop a Chinese aircraft carrier.

Before the auction was closed, officials in Macao had warned Chong Lot that they would not be permitted to park Varyag in the harbor.  The sale was carried out anyway.  Chong Lot is owned by a Hong Kong firm called Chin Luck (Holdings) Company.  Four of Chin Luck's six board members live in [Yantai, China] where a major Chinese Navy shipyard is located.  Chin Luck's chairman is a former career military officer with the People's Liberation Army.  (It is not unusual in China for a company that actually is involved in tourism or travel to be controlled by former PLA officers.)

However, China's interest is puzzling.  Due to the poor condition of the hulk, it is thought highly unlikely that the PLAN will commission the carrier; rather, many analysts suggest that the PLAN intends to examine the carrier as a model for an indigenous carrier to be built later.  Others counter that the carrier does not represent modern technology; the PLAN could probably have learned all they needed from Varyag without towing it all the way to China.

Whatever plans have been made, in mid-2000, a Dutch tug with a Filipino crew was hired to take Varyag under tow.  However, Chong Lot could not get permission from Turkey to transit the dangerous Bosporus strait -- in addition to safety issues, the Montreux Treaty of 1936 does not allow aircraft carriers to pass the Dardanelles -- and the hulk spent 16 months circling in the Black Sea.  High-level Chinese government ministers conducted negotiations in Ankara on Chong Lot's behalf, offering to allow Chinese tourists to visit cash-strapped Turkey if the travel agency's ship were allowed to pass through the straits.  On November 1, 2001, Turkey finally relented from its position that the vessel posed too great of a danger to the bridges of Istanbul, and allowed the transit.

Escorted by 27 vessels including 11 tug boats and three pilot boats, Varyag took six hours to transit the strait; most large ships take an hour and a half.  The Russian press reported that 16 pilots and 250 seamen were involved. At 11:45am on November 2, she completed her passage and made for Gallipoli and Çanakkale at 5.8 knots.  She passed through the Dardanelles without incident.

On November 3, Varyag was caught in a force 9 gale and broke adrift while passing the Aegean island of Skyros.  Turkish and Greek sea rescue workers tried to re-capture the hulk, which was drifting toward the island of Evia.  The seven-member crew (three Russians, three Ukrainians and one Filipino) remained on board as six tugboats tried to reestablish their tow.  However, after many failed attempts to reattach the lines, a Greek coast guard rescue helicopter landed on Varyag and picked up four of the seven crew.  One tug managed to make a line fast to the ship later in the day, but high winds severely hampered efforts by two other tugs to secure the ship.  On November 6, Aries Lima (reported as both Dutch and Portuguese), a sailor from the tug Haliva Champion, died after a fall while attempting to reattach the tow ropes.  On November 7, the hulk was taken back under tow and progress toward the Suez Canal resumed at some three knots.

The Chinese Foreign Minister announced plans to visit Egypt in late December 2001.

The aircraft carrier sailed into Chinese waters on February 20 2002, and is being towed to Dalian Shipyard in Northeastern China.



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To: MadRobotArtist
I'd like to know where you came up with your "operational in two years" figure and your sources. I have a suspicion none of them are people that have the foggiest idea of what they are talking about regarding naval matters.

Varyag is decrepit and rotting. Unmaintained for over a decade with no preservation measures. Had at least one major fire on board. It will float...that's about it. Even the Kuznetsov, brand new, and operated by the Soviets, was a piece of crap.

It takes the US far longer than two years to fit out a brand new Nimitz, farther along in construction, and in perfect condition, after it has been launched.

And lets see...the Chinese need to come up with navalised aircraft, train pilots to land and take off on a carrier, figure out the complex dance of moving aircraft around on a deck, etc. etc. etc. etc....all of which they don't have and have never done.

21 posted on 03/02/2002 9:28:39 PM PST by John H K
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To: Francohio
Hey don't sweat it. The Russkis know from nothing about carriers. Probably one of those ski-jump jobs, or a carrier for that funky combloc VTOL naval fighter.

The Admiral Kuznetsov class are not American style supercarriers but they are more than just V/Stol carriers.
The Kuznetsov class is an evolution of the Kiev class designed to carry navalized fixed wing SU-27k and Mig-29K as well as helicopters. Like the Kiev it has a ski-jump (instead of catapults) and serious ant-shipping capabilities.

22 posted on 03/02/2002 9:45:33 PM PST by rmlew
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To: Bob Evans
Wake up! China is a very old Nation and very patient. If they have to wait a hundred years to grind us under their boots so be it. But at the present pace it will be a lot sooner.

It's building up it's military and they're doing it for a reason.
Anyone want to take a shot at why they are building up?
Think!

Do you want to be around in 10 or 20 years when they have a FLEET of carriers? Casino my eye!
If the world thinks it can control China by giving it technology, industry, military equipment, a giant balance of trade and secrets it's not only stupid but suicidal.

Why don't we just give them Korea and Taiwan now and save them the trouble of having to destroy us for it.
Holy crimoley! There must be something in the water!

23 posted on 03/02/2002 10:42:34 PM PST by Archaeus
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To: green team 1999
several Russian carriers have been sold to China, I understand an old WW-2 American carrier was sold to China (by Australia?) for scrap. Its deck was moved to land, and Chinese pilots practice landing on it.
24 posted on 03/02/2002 11:40:17 PM PST by GeronL
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25 posted on 03/03/2002 7:39:19 AM PST by WIMom
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To: MadRobotArtist;John HK
Never mind the details-we should have had agents with cash in hand to outbid all others & buy ALL Soviet era items!

A small amount for security over the last decade would have meant fewer prob's now! But then we do enjoy our wonderful democracy, a few producers, many fools who accept the money stolen by force from the producers, means many votes for another fool! Did I say democracy? I meant voluntary subjagation to a totalitarian authority.

26 posted on 03/03/2002 10:58:11 AM PST by TEXICAN II
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To: Bob Evans
This thing was towed through international waters for monthes and there are no pictures of it?
27 posted on 03/03/2002 11:24:51 AM PST by fella
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To: TEXICAN II
Agreed. We should have bought that ship, like we bought up their surplus T-72 and T-82 tanks.
28 posted on 03/03/2002 12:48:14 PM PST by MadRobotArtist
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To: rightwing2, Askel5
At "a href="http://www.geostrategy-direct.com/geostrategy-direct/">Geostrategy Direct they have a write up and a satellite picture of the vessel at dock. I think you can view the full image if you aren't a subscriber. If not give me a holler and I'll send you the pic and their version of the story.
29 posted on 03/03/2002 2:19:18 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Rightwing2, Askel5
Geostrategy Direct. Whoops, sloppy HTML. Here is the link.
30 posted on 03/03/2002 2:21:17 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

31 posted on 03/03/2002 2:22:18 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring; ThanksBTTT

32 posted on 03/03/2002 3:11:12 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Orangedog
In 10 years they will be able to nuke any city in the U.S. I mean, with them having that kind of capability, how many carriers would they really need to become an even more serious national security threat?

I wonder what one BLU-118B will do to an aircraft carrier.

33 posted on 03/03/2002 3:18:18 PM PST by jackbill
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To: GeronL
Its deck was moved to land, and Chinese pilots practice landing on it.

OK, I've kept out of this nonsence until now but I've got to ask the obvious question. Why in God's name would you move the flight seck to land in order to practice landings? Wouldn't it make more sense to take a secion of runway, mark out the dimensions, and practice on that?

34 posted on 03/03/2002 3:28:52 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: fella
This thing was towed through international waters for monthes and there are no pictures of it?

Sure there are. I found a couple with a single query with a single search engine.

35 posted on 03/03/2002 3:30:11 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
I read that on some naval warfare site, they apprently either did one of those things. Built come kind of plateau in the shape of a carrier.
36 posted on 03/03/2002 7:17:53 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Sawdring
#31- That was via satellite???

How good are our satellites?? whose satellite was this??

37 posted on 03/03/2002 7:19:27 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Sawdring
Great picture. Thanks! Looks pretty good for a flattop that is only 70% complete, doesn't it?
39 posted on 03/04/2002 5:40:22 AM PST by rightwing2
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To: John H K, sonofliberty2, sawdring
There was no Soviet Carrier called the "Novasibirsk". There was the Novorossiysk, which was scrapped in South Korea.

What are you talking about? The Novorossiysk was purchased by the ChiCom PLA owned corporation in 1998 from the same South Korean ChiCom front company that was supposed to scrap it. See the article and excerpts below, which relate a lot of facts about ChiCom purchases of Russian aircraft carriers which you appear to have missed.

ChiComs Study Their Four Purchased Russian Aircraft Carriers in Prelude to Building Their Own

Writing in Jane’s Defence Weekly in January, Mr Davis said: "There is substantial co-operation between Russia and China over the design and construction of aircraft carriers, and former Soviet Navy carriers have been transferred to China in the past. "In 1995 the Kiev-class Minsk and Novorossiysk were sold to South Korea and then in 1998 resold to Chinese companies. "The Minsk later appeared in the port of Shenzhen, and has been restored to original condition as a ‘tourist attraction’, complete with ‘replica’ aircraft, missile systems, and ‘working’ electronics. The Novorossiysk was sold directly to China for scrap in May 2000 allegedly to become another ‘tourist carrier’."

Isn't it interesting how these alleged ChiCom "tourist" carriers (only one of which is actually being "used" in such a fashion) are garrisoned by ChiCom military personnel and being "studied" by them on a regular basis? The Varyag is the new crown jewel of the PLA Navy. The Kiev class is a more or less obslescent design, while the Kutzenov class carriers are much more modern and will serve as a suitable model for the initial class of three 60,000 ton PLA Navy carriers, which the ChiComs are beginning to build.
40 posted on 03/04/2002 6:14:52 AM PST by rightwing2
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