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Vouchers funnel needed money from public schools
The Pitt News ^ | February 28, 2002 | DAVID McKENZIE

Posted on 03/01/2002 11:40:14 AM PST by Hacksaw

by Columnist

Do vouchers save children from schools in “an unprecedented educational crisis” or do they siphon much-needed money from public school systems into private schools? Currently, this debate is being waged all over the country. As more areas of the country implement vouchers — something supported by the Bush administration — questions surrounding them were sure to reach the courts. Last week, one did.

On Feb. 20, the United States Supreme Court heard arguments in the case of Zelman vs. Simmons-Harris. At issue is whether Cleveland’s voucher program violates the First Amendment separation of church and state.

According to The Cleveland Plain Dealer, 46 of the 51 private schools to which parents have the option of sending their children are religious, and 99.4 percent of the roughly 4,300 children enrolled attend those schools. But supporters of the vouchers argue that it does not violate the First Amendment because the parents have the option of sending their children to other, secular schools.

The issue in this particular case concerns simply religious schools. But it could have an effect on the broader issue as well. According to Brookings Institution researchers Jeffrey Henig and Stephen Sugarman in their book, “School Choice and Social Controversy,” 85 percent of children who attend private schools attend religious ones.

Proponents of vouchers say that they save children from failing public schools. This is understandable, as public school systems in many parts of the country are in a state of disarray. There is also an argument of equality at work here: Why should only the rich be able to send their children to private schools?

So in theory, vouchers sound like a great idea. But in practice, they are not.

In the United States, government does not provide many of the same services — such as health care — that most other governments in the so-called developed world do. But we do believe almost universally that it is the duty of our society to educate its citizenry.

Our country has a long tradition of public education. We believe that the only way our country can continue to compete is if we have an educated populace.

Unfortunately, we do too little to accomplish that goal. Many complain about the state of our public schools, but do not want to pay the taxes needed to do anything about it.

Few doubt that our public schools nationwide need help. But the proposed solution, vouchers, will only exacerbate the problems.

When government actually pays to send students to private schools, it deprives the already-underfunded public schools of much-needed money. Vouchers could be a whirlpool for the ship of public education in the United States — by further cutting into public school funding, they will make the schools even worse, causing more parents to pull their children out, causing an even greater lack of funding, causing … Well, you get the picture.

Pretty bleak, isn’t it?

And, not to mention, the equality argument does not work for vouchers either. In Cleveland, for example, The Plain Dealer reports that the vouchers are worth $2,250 per year. Yet private school tuition is higher than that. According to the National Center for Education Statistics Web site, www.nces.ed.gov, the median tuition at private schools nationwide was $4,166 in 1997. This means that half of the private schools in this country charge higher tuition than that.

So for a poor family, that $2,250 per year would not go very far. With a voucher system, better-off kids would have an even greater opportunity to escape failing schools while poor kids would remain stuck.

No one doubts public schools in the United States need help. But vouchers are a destructive solution when constructive solutions are the only ones that will have any chance of saving our ideal of education for all.

David McKenzie is a graduate of the Texas public school system who knows that two plus two equals five. He can be reached at mckenzie@pittnews.com.


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To: Hacksaw
God forbid that we introduce the lazy public school administrators to the concept of competition!
21 posted on 03/01/2002 12:47:53 PM PST by Destructor
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To: Hacksaw
Happy to oblige.

You are in fact surrounded by leftists (aka Commies).

Just remember that it's your job as a conservative to stand up to them.

Whenever I have have stood up publicly (even when alone) against the forces of ignorance, there has always been someone who has approached me to thank me for expressing their sentiments.

I didn't understand that 15 years ago when I was your age, but I trust it won't take you that long to figure it out.

After all, back in the 80s there was no FR.

22 posted on 03/01/2002 12:47:58 PM PST by GEC
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To: Hacksaw
Maybe if the leftists who are now running government schools would stop pushing their socialist agenda, more parents would stop pulling their kids out of public schools.

I'd never send my kids to a public school. Public school teachers (FReepers excepted) are the bottom of the educational barrel, statistically speaking. Education majors have the lowest scores on the Graduate Record Exam (the one you take to get into graduate school) of any college major. That means lower than psychology majors, communications majors, and exercise science majors. And these are the people who are teaching our kids! Please, take your kids out of public school!

23 posted on 03/01/2002 1:05:27 PM PST by Henrietta
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To: Hacksaw
Many complain about the state of our public schools, but do not want to pay the taxes needed to do anything about it.

Ah, the tired assumption that more money is the cure for public schools ills.

When government actually pays to send students to private schools, it deprives the already-underfunded public schools of much-needed money.

Why do they need money for kids that they don't have enrolled?

24 posted on 03/01/2002 1:08:18 PM PST by MileHi
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To: daviddennis
Money cannot buy happiness; it cannot fix relationships between people; it does not rule in any kind of emotional context.

The wealthy have always been willing to exchange money for a riffraff free environment, if poor people are able to buy their way into private schools via vouchers, then the price of a private education will increase accordingly. Capitalism 101.

25 posted on 03/01/2002 1:12:26 PM PST by TightSqueeze
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To: Hacksaw
To quote Tom Lehrer, "Consider this problem which I will put up on the board...."

Per student cost in public school = $7,000 (much higher, some places)

Subtract the cost of the average voucher - $2,500

Hope much money do we have left? $4,500

As this exercise demonstrates, when a student leaves a public school under a voucher system, he or she leaves behind $4,500 which the school system gets to keep for NOT educating that student. In short, vouchers make the money available for the remaining students, go UP on a per pupil basis.

Unless this reporter never learned to count, it would be obviious that vouchers do not cost the public systems a dime. In fact the opposite is true. The systems gain, it is just the incompetent teachers and incompetent administrators who lose -- their jobs. THAT's what this whole fight it about. Continuing to waste money on teachers who cannot teach, and administrators who could screw up a two-car funeral.

Congressman Billybob

Latest about Cornel West, Educated Moron.

26 posted on 03/01/2002 1:15:44 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Hacksaw
So in theory, vouchers sound like a great idea. But in practice, they are not.

Disingenuous is the kindest adjective I can award these two sentences. If vouchers were not a great idea, liberals wouldn't resist so mightily; the voucher idea would merely be allowed to run its minor course to failure. It's because liberals understand that vouchered private schools will break their monopoly on education and that in most cases public schools won't be able to compete with private schools. There go the big teachers unions. There go the trainloads of cash every year to buttress liberal monopoly of education. There go the educational frills and doodads. Well, you get the picture.

27 posted on 03/01/2002 1:19:57 PM PST by Whilom
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To: GEC
I didn't understand that 15 years ago when I was your age, but I trust it won't take you that long to figure it out.

Thanks again. Actually, I am 34 years old, and I attend Pitt in the evenings for my engineering degree. Maybe I didn't pay attention when I went to college for my original degree in my late teens and early 20's - but I have never realized the extent of instutionalized leftism in education.

28 posted on 03/01/2002 1:23:37 PM PST by Hacksaw
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To: Hacksaw
In Cleveland, for example, The Plain Dealer reports that the vouchers are worth $2,250 per year. Yet private school tuition is higher than that. According to the National Center for Education Statistics Web site, www.nces.ed.gov, the median tuition at private schools nationwide was $4,166 in 1997.

Why does the author compare the amount of money provided in a specific city (Cleveland) with the national median tuition? What really matters is whether or not $2,250 covers the cost of tuition in Cleveland.

29 posted on 03/01/2002 1:39:39 PM PST by TankerKC
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To: VikingsRazeAVillage
once kids go to private schools, the oportunity to indoctrinate kids with all the leftist political crap is lost.

Really? You don't think some private schools serve as liberal indoctrination centers? Catholic parish schools in many communities are *far* more liberal than public schools. Those who don't believe this are welcome to do a google search under "catholic homeschooling" - there are many, many websites out there with all sorts of stories about how all these Catholic homeschoolers have pulled their kids out of very liberal, "Spirit of Vatican II" Catholic schools. Giving these schools state money will only make them *more* liberal, not less.

Many Christian schools *are* indeed more conservative, but they are usually not located in the inner cities where voucher recipients live, and many of them are limited to members of their church, or have a strict screening process that involves interviews with at least one parent of how that parent was saved, etc.

As for secular private schools, in my own community virtually every non-religious private school is *very* liberal, and their tuitions usually range from about $9,000 to $13,000 a year. Per kid.

30 posted on 03/01/2002 1:58:29 PM PST by ikanakattara
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To: Henrietta
Please, take your kids out of public school!

Oh, piffle. I both homeschool AND have kids in public school. Our public schools are rated as some of the best in the state. Many public schools you couldn't send a dog to for fear of being cited for animal abuse, but there are many good, and some great public schools out there. Don't tar them all with the same brush.

31 posted on 03/01/2002 2:02:23 PM PST by ikanakattara
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To: Hacksaw
They need to re-factor their equation. We withdraw our money from their sacred government system but we reduce the burden on it by removing a pupil too.
32 posted on 03/01/2002 2:08:52 PM PST by freepy smurf
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To: Hacksaw
Vouchers funnel needed money that would be wasted from public schools

There that reads better.

33 posted on 03/01/2002 2:09:06 PM PST by SAMWolf
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To: Hacksaw
85 percent of children who attend private schools attend religious ones.

This puts a serious block in their carefully planned indoctrination agenda!

34 posted on 03/01/2002 2:12:31 PM PST by freepy smurf
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To: freepy smurf
I'm disappointed that nobody, not even voucher proponents, speak of variable and fixed costs. Maybe the general public is too stooopid to grasp the concept.

Couldn't they use an example for the dummies, like: 30 kids from PS 101 left with their $2500 vouchers to enroll at private schools. Now we no longer need one teacher who cost us $60,000/year including benefits. Since we spend $5000/year/student, dropping this class not only saved the school system $60K from the teacher's pay but also $75K from the net gain to the system for not having to provide for those missing 30 students. Longer term, more savings will result from reduced admin costs, capital costs for plant and equipment, etc. We will ignore these savings in the short run.

The real reason is this: when parents are no longer chained to the public system, political support for endless tax increases to fund endless promises of improved performance collapses. They see their world ending. That's the real meaning behind their 'rob the public schools of funds' battle cry.

35 posted on 03/01/2002 3:18:15 PM PST by FirstFlaBn
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To: FirstFlaBn
B-B-BUMP
36 posted on 03/01/2002 3:27:04 PM PST by Hacksaw
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To: general_re
There'll be plenty of private academies that will spring up which will charge less than $4,000 a year and that will be all to the good.
37 posted on 03/01/2002 3:27:22 PM PST by bettina0
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To: general_re
Nothing like a little apples/oranges misdirection to make your case. Who gives a rat's a$$ what the national median tuition is - what's the average tuition in Cleveland?

Not to mention that there will undoubtedly be plenty of schools that be created with the idea of charging $2250 per kid. Create a market and businesses will supply the capacity to meet the demand.

38 posted on 03/01/2002 3:36:20 PM PST by Straight Vermonter
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To: ikanakattara
Our public schools are rated as some of the best in the state.

Look, when all the schools are teaching revisionist history, who cares if your school is the "best in the state?" If your kids are learning the "multicultural" curriculum being taught in public schools, they are not learning the things that they need to know to appreciate and participate in our form of self-government. Kids in public schools are taught a dumbed-down curriculum more intent on bolstering self-esteem than on teaching kids reading, writing, arithmetic, history, and logic. Grade inflation is rampant. SAT scores are dropping. Many college freshmen take courses in remedial math. Being the "best of the worst" is nothing to crow about.

39 posted on 03/01/2002 3:57:46 PM PST by Henrietta
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To: MoralSense
Here is is, from a FR post in September of 2000. I don't think I'll be able to format it:

Here is your data, formatted into a table.

Rank State Test Scores Test Scores Spending
1. Texas 5.6 24 $5,650
2. Wisconsin 4.8 9 6,700
3. Iowa 4.1 21 5,940
4. Maine 3.4 3 7,750
5. N. Dakota 2.8 20 5,970
46. Alabama -4.5 42 4,340
47. W. Virginia -4.6 14 6,350
48. Mississippi -4.7 43 4,000
49. Louisiana -5.3 29 5,430
50. California -5.9 38 4,750

I have no idea what this means as the

*Results of National Assessment of Educational Progress tests from 1990 to 1996, expressed in percentile rankings *Adjusted for cost-of-living differences across states.
isn't attached to anything. It has been, however, an interesting exercise in learning about HTML tables.
40 posted on 03/01/2002 3:58:15 PM PST by xsysmgr
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