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Yates lived by rigid schedule, according to husband
The Dallas Morning News ^ | March 1, 2002 (The Ides of March are upon us!) | By TERRI LANGFORD / The Dallas Morning News

Posted on 03/01/2002 1:45:51 AM PST by MeekOneGOP


Yates lived by rigid schedule, according to husband

Husband also testifies she was allowed 3 hours a week without her kids

03/01/2002

By TERRI LANGFORD / The Dallas Morning News

HOUSTON - Russell "Rusty" Yates told jurors Thursday about how his wife, Andrea, lived by a rigid schedule as housekeeper and teacher and was allowed three hours each week to do whatever she wanted, alone, without her children.

"Man's the breadwinner and the woman's the homemaker," Mr. Yates said Thursday during Mrs. Yates' capital murder trial. Mrs. Yates pleaded insanity after admitting that she drowned her five children in June.

While he talked proudly of the couple's decision to toe a higher ethical line based on biblical teachings and lessons gleaned from a conservative newsletter called "Perilous Times," Mr. Yates coincidentally painted a picture for jurors of a bleak life bereft of any outlet for Mrs. Yates besides her children.

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"A scared animal" is how Debbie Holmes testified that her friend Andrea Yates behaved in the days before she killed her children.

Mr. Yates, 37, told the jury that he and his wife agreed before their wedding in 1993 to a "traditional" marriage in which he would serve as sole breadwinner and she would be homemaker.

The pact included being a stay-at-home mother, primary caregiver and, eventually, home-school teacher. Mr. Yates said that he controlled the cash and that she stuck carefully to an allowance.

Therapist Earline Wilcott, who met with Mrs. Yates after her suicide attempts, testified that her client felt overwhelmed and trapped.

Ms. Wilcott said Mrs. Yates felt criticized for the way she ran the household. Ms. Wilcott said Mrs. Yates told her that her husband bought her a book on how to get organized.

When pressure from raising their children appeared to be getting to Mrs. Yates, she could always look forward to Thursdays. Mr. Yates testified that for three hours once each week from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. Mrs. Yates could do whatever she wanted, alone, without the children.

The free time was to provide some relief for his wife, Mr. Yates said. "I guess that's what we decided," he said.

Mrs. Yates is a diagnosed schizophrenic predisposed to pitch-black depressions that followed the births of her last two children. Testimony has shown that the 37-year-old registered nurse with perfectionist tendencies and a solid Christian faith went along with the home management plan she and Mr. Yates hammered out before marriage.

During a second day of testimony, this time during questioning by Harris County prosecutor Joe Owmby, Mr. Yates, a NASA engineer, said he and Mrs. Yates agreed before marrying that she would give up her job at M.D. Anderson Cancer Center at Houston.

"We thought it best that Andrea be home," Mr. Yates testified.

Prosecutors say Mrs. Yates was fully aware of what she was doing when she drowned Noah, 7; John, 5; Paul, 3; Luke, 2; and 6-month-old Mary in the family bathtub.

Mrs. Yates' trial, which began Feb. 18, is expected to go through next week. She faces life in prison or lethal injection if convicted.

During questioning, Mr. Yates said his wife was quiet and remarkably modest. After they were married, Mrs. Yates wouldn't undress in front of her husband. "That's a pretty personal question, but generally that's true. She's shy," he testified.

While Mr. Yates found time for interests such as biking to work, joining a gym and working in the garage, Mrs. Yates had the children and home-schooling to keep up with.

Their life also included some unusual experiments and choices.

Almost as soon as their first home was built, they rented it out, trading it for a 38-foot trailer to live a "simpler life."

"I think a lot of it was that Andrea was generally happy in the house, I probably wasn't as happy in the house," he said.

After being married 41/2 years, with three young children and another on the way, they sold the trailer for a $37,000 converted Greyhound bus.

"I didn't view it as a hardship," Mr. Yates said. "We like it better than a house."

After the 1999 birth of their fourth child, Luke, the close quarters appeared to get to her. She summoned her husband home one day. He found her sobbing and shaking in the back of the bus.

The next day, she took an overdose. Less than a month later, she held a knife to her throat.

Mr. Yates told jurors how he faithfully drove his wife to therapy after her two suicide attempts.

He also told jurors that his wife opted for natural childbirth.

Although he conceded that the newsletter he and his wife read advocated natural childbirth for a "humbling experience for a woman," Mr. Yates said it was his wife's idea to go without local anesthetic.

"It was her choice," he said. "Sometimes Andrea liked to take the hard road instead of an easy road."

Despite warnings from at least one psychiatrist who said having more children would bring Mrs. Yates a harsher version of the depression that sent her to try to kill herself, they had a fifth child on Nov. 30, 2000.

They knew that Haldol pulled her out of the depths in 1999, after the birth of Luke. When Mrs. Yates faltered again, particularly after her father died in March 2001, they asked for the drug again.

"I knew she was sick," Mr. Yates said. "She wouldn't have tried to commit suicide if she hadn't been sick."

Four days before she drowned her children, Mrs. Yates awoke screaming that she was trapped. As her husband comforted her, she told him about her nightmare. "Something about in her dream she was trapped in her bed," Mr. Yates said.

"A scared animal" is how Debbie Holmes later testified that Mrs. Yates behaved in the days before she killed her children. The women met about 16 years ago at M.D. Anderson.

Mrs. Holmes said Mrs. Yates spoke only three complete sentences to her in the four months before the children died. Her hair greasy and matted, her body reeking, Mrs. Yates was a walking zombie then, Mrs. Holmes said.

"I was appalled," said Mrs. Holmes. "She looked like a cancer patient." When she heard that the children were drowned, a teary Mrs. Holmes said she collapsed.

"I fell on the floor, and I just cried," Mrs. Holmes said. "I was screaming. It can't be my Andrea."


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Comment #461 Removed by Moderator

To: one_particular_harbour
OK - so in translation, the husbands don't do squat and rule the roost with iron fists.

No, the falsely inferred claim is that husband's who don't do squat cause their wives to kill their children. I don't buy it.

462 posted on 03/01/2002 3:39:41 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: muggs
Note: She could have taken more than 3 hours. She elected not to do it. If your wife said "You can only have 3 hours a week", what would you do?
464 posted on 03/01/2002 3:43:49 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: one_particular_harbour
If Andrea had married a different man, she still would have went crazy.
465 posted on 03/01/2002 3:50:00 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: muggs
But the more that comes out about how controlling he was the more I feel he is partially to blame.

But "control" is a natural response to mental illness. Take a look at Hillary (and I'm not being (too) facetious). I believe she is controlling in large part because Bill is psychologically ill, probably a manic-depressive.

In order to create some semblence of order in a sick home, the first reaction of the "sane" is to control. They try to control pills, schedules, childcare, babysitters (for the ill adult), food prep, activities (for the ill adult), etc. On the positive side, it is not uncommon for the mentally ill to respond well to higher levels of structure in their lives. On the negative side, someone busts a blood vessel. Andrea busted a blood vessel.
466 posted on 03/01/2002 4:00:49 PM PST by My Identity
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To: AppyPappy
I know I said in post 453 I was out of here but I just can't stay away.

Note: She could have taken more than 3 hours. She elected not to do it.
According to the article
When pressure from raising their children appeared to be getting to Mrs. Yates, she could always look forward to Thursdays. Mr. Yates testified that for three hours once each week from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. Mrs. Yates could do whatever she wanted, alone, without the children.

Ms. Wilcott said Mrs. Yates felt criticized for the way she ran the household. Ms. Wilcott said Mrs. Yates told her that her husband bought her a book on how to get organized.

I guess if she had just read the book he bought her she could have been better organized and then would have had more time to herself.

I would not tell my husband how much time he could spend on himself and he wouldn't tell me how much time I can spend in my personal pursuits. We know that in order to be a happy couple we each need time alone as well as together.

467 posted on 03/01/2002 4:03:35 PM PST by muggs
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To: one_particular_harbour
Excuse me, but as I recall, the "system" didn't act for or against this family - it stayed out.

Have you ever had exposure to the psych system in this country?

Confidentiality laws can hide dangerous conditions from family members.

There is an abnormally high expectation that patients will tell the truth,
even for conditions that are characterized by social pathologies.

There is an abnormally high reliance on mentally unstable patients taking
their own meds, even for conditions where this is a problem.

The court system won't act "unless the children are bleeding" and by then it may be too late.
469 posted on 03/01/2002 4:08:06 PM PST by My Identity
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To: Slyfox
"If Andrea had married a different man, she still would have went crazy"

And if Andrea had married a man who put his wife's mental stability ahead of his idea of the "perfect family", ANDREA WOULD ONLY HAVE HAD THREE KIDS TO KILL INSTEAD OF FIVE! And those three MIGHT be alive today!

471 posted on 03/01/2002 4:23:05 PM PST by joathome
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To: GalvestonGal.com
"I'm curious about the name of the "church" or sect, or trailer off some dirt road, back in the woods that preaches this garbage. I haven't read all the reports, if it was named before, someone point me to articles about it. Are they in Harris (Houston) or Galveston County?"

Do a web search on "Michael Woroniecki". He was Russell's mentor.

Here is a snippet from an article I found about him:

Write the traveling evangelist at the Oregon drop box, and one receives a calligraphically addressed packet. It contains an audiocassette, carefully wrapped and taped in paper toweling, and labeled by hand, "How to Study the Word of God," as well as handwritten, personal letter inviting one to "share more personal things."

There are also musty newsletter and brochures -- "The Perilous Times," which claims "God says the source of a sin's power is The Law and your deep anxieties and fearfulness can be traced to The Devil's right to your soul when you die," and a "Hi! How ya doin?" pamphlet explaining that the Woronieckis have lived full-time in an RV for twenty years, going through three buses, all renovated themselves.

"All six of our children were born 'at home' in a different state. My wife is not a contemporary 'witch' sacrificing her children for a career." Michael Woronieckis adds, "She is awesome and submitted to me."

A brochure called "The 'Witch', The 'Wimp'" is also included. "Before I obeyed God," Woroniecki writes, I too accpeted the teachings of darkness from this 'advanced' culture on 'womens [sic] rights'. I was stunned, but thrilled, to discover God's 'light'. At birth a woman inherits the contentious nature of Eve and a man is born with the passive nature of Adam."

Women, he teaches, are witches, while men are wimps. "The fury, for being labeled a 'witch' only serves to further expose the blinding power of your arrogant self-image.

Unless you face this SIN NATURE you will be tormented and blinded by its vexations. Your blindness renders you STUPID to the obvious. You are an emotional 'basketcase'!"

472 posted on 03/01/2002 4:33:39 PM PST by SKempis
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To: MeeknMing
I got outraged when people started blaming the dad, but now I have to wonder. What a jerk!
474 posted on 03/01/2002 4:49:12 PM PST by soccermom
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To: one_particular_harbour; joathome
I've got a real problem with all the Russell-bashing. How many Freepers do you think are reading your words who have experienced a spouse with mental illness, who's spouse may have even killed themselves over their illness? How do you think they like reading about Russell Yates having 'a special place in hell' for his treatment or lack of treatment for his wife? How do any of you know that he did not do everything he could to help her? You don't know. But, answer me, how do you think others feel when you make your 'fry Russell' statements? Statements like yours are irresponsible and you may very well be contributing to the depression of one fellow Freeper who's feeling guilty enough for 'not doing enough'.
475 posted on 03/01/2002 4:52:28 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: one_particular_harbour
Thanks. : ) I think it's from the same article, actually.

Makes me think the term "Christianity" has lost all powers of description. Since sickos like this insist on calling themselves "Christian" (and woe to him who attempts to say they aren't), maybe we need to consider being more specific, to avoid being put into the same category. :-|

476 posted on 03/01/2002 4:54:07 PM PST by SKempis
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To: AppyPappy
That is succcchhhhhh a pet peeve of mine! Why is it that dads. generally, get to go wherever they want, whenever they want, simply because they are the breadwinners? But moms have to "schedule" time off?
477 posted on 03/01/2002 4:54:15 PM PST by soccermom
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
THe first time I saw this loser of a husband on TV on the day she had killed the children he was smiling and laughing! I could have injured him with my fists! He was more concerned about standing on the lawn giving interviews than for his dead children. The bastard knew having all these children was an impossible job for any woman and he showed it!

I hope that da*&ed man rots in hell for his part in this so-called marriage.

478 posted on 03/01/2002 4:54:47 PM PST by dwhite
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To: one_particular_harbour
Probably because the front line of defense, her immediate family, let her down.

Well, what should they have done? This isn't an ad litem case. Did professionals feel that she was well enough to go off her meds? Was AY voluntarily and fully cooperating with those around her? If psychiatrists can legally rely on the patient to tell the truth, is RY to blame if he did as well?

he was well aware of her medication and problems.

And that makes him an expert? I thought it was also true that AY was taken off her meds 2 weeks before her descent into he\\. Apparently a "professional" thought she may have been well enough to handle life. Was she? Or did she represent to the doctor that she was? Don't get me wrong. I am not arguing that RY is blameless - no way. But in a sick home, what is true and what ought to be done can be lost in the swirl of conflicting advice and broken perceptions of reality. Often the "sane" family members need as much help (or more) than the sick.

Wanna tell us more about how confidentiality laws brought this about?

Don't be a wiseacre. I never said that. What I said was that these are indicators of a broken system.

Or how Andrea lied about her condition?

I don't know what she said to RY that morning. What did she tell her psych(s) in full? What did she tell her family?
479 posted on 03/01/2002 4:57:29 PM PST by My Identity
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To: Slyfox
"How do any of you know that he did not do everything he could to help her?" We don't know everything R. Yates did. But we know enough to know that he didn't do everything to help her. We know that he impregnated her, when they were advised not to have kids. We know that he left her home with 5 kids, AFTER she had attempted suicide. We know that she desperately looked forward to her 3 hours of freedom, yet he couldn't take any more time out of his busy scedule for her?????
480 posted on 03/01/2002 4:59:22 PM PST by soccermom
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