Yates lived by rigid schedule, according to husband

The Dallas Morning News ^ | March 1, 2002 (The Ides of March are upon us!) | By TERRI LANGFORD / The Dallas Morning News

[angcat]

don't forget she was a mega smart educated teacher also..............................hehehe

[xsmommy]

Yes but no one knew that. Her husband was the only one who knew about those things

which is why he is equally culpable, c'mon Appy, pretty please, give me this point : ) ?

[jacquej]

Here's a link or two on the preacher man...

http://www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/w16.html

http://www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/news2/an020124-08.html

[hobbes1]

If only a handful of people stop and question their mindless assumptions, it'd be worth it.

Well, You would be at the front of that line......

[William Terrell]

Were you there? Were you in either one of them's back pocket recording what went on? Or did you get all this from testimony.

MY point is that a lawyers job and oath is to defend his client vigorously. All to often, nowadays, this is held to mean in any manner possible, including deceit and misdirection. Look at the OJ trial.

The two facts are that Yates was willing to defend his wife in the face of these horrible acts and the defense lawyer's oath to defend his client with all weapons in his arsenal. The defense is insanity. Anything that would mitigate her actions on the side of insanity is this lawyer's job, including testimony of horrible treatment of his wife from her husband.

There are two ways to look at this. His treatment drove his wife to insanity, or his testimony is calculated to make the jurors (and us) think he drove his wife to insanity, when in fact his actions were an order of magnitude less egredious than testified to.

I'm not saying either one is the truth. I'm saying that most here are ignoring the possibility of the second when the first is so emotionally satisfying.

Most here are taking his testimony at face value, and I'm saying there are other possibilities. Do not rush to conclusions based on emotional reactions. That may in fact be precisely the defense plan.

[AppyPappy]

The state. That's who does it now.

[AppyPappy]

I already said he is an asshole. But he did not kill those kids any more than the bathtub did.

[SunnyUsa]

"The wife would call the ambulance if her husband stayed in the bathroom too long. We eventually threatened her with jail. But he stayed with her."

wait, let me get this straight.....

If he was in the bathroom too long, she would call the ambulance because he "Overstayed" his alotted time??? Was this the explanation she gave or was it some nutty rant?

[GalvestonGal.com]

Try Warneke. There are 4K, but this belief needs some light shed on it.

[AppyPappy]

She said he was having a stroke which is why he "couldn't come to the door". she would bang on the door if he took too long and then she would call EMS. We'd find him on the crapper when we got there. She would chase us into the yard demanding we make him stop having a stroke in the outhouse. I guess it was the only peace he got.

She once filed a missing person claim on him and told the police where to find him. She also beat him.

[xsmommy]

But he did not kill those kids any more than the bathtub did.

while the bathtub, as an inanimate object, could not absent itself from the house so as not to become an instrumentality, Randy Yates COULD have removed his children from his wife's care and thus, saved their lives.

[Alouette]

Civil societies don't fry the insane.

If she is found "not guilty by reason of insanity" she should be incarcerated for the rest of her natural life in a maximum security institution for the criminally insane. No way should she be allowed to roam at large among other humans, least of all released into the custody of her equally nutty husband so that they can create more babies to replace the ones she broke.

Oh, and she should be spayed before she's carted to the looney bin.

[William Terrell]

I agree. Anrea Yates should have left. And she remains responsible for her choices. My point is here. I don't think we can afford to emote wildly off into firey anger, where justice is not served.

[ikanakattara]

I am curious about the particular sect or conservative homeschooling group the Yates were involved in... is there any info on the net about them? You mentioned the name of the "guru" Wornieki, but I couldn't find any info about him...

That's because I can't spell ... sorry. You can read about Michael and Rachel Woroniecki here on this Christian cult-awareness website.

From the Houston Chronicle: "Yates and her children joined a home school support group that meets at nearby Sagemont Church, a friend said, but the couple and the children are not listed on the church's membership or Sunday school rolls. Relatives said last week that the Yateses were not affiliated with any church." I have been unable to locate on the Web the information I read last summer about Sagemont Church. If I find it again I will post it on one of these threads.

[jacquej]

Found it, and it is spelled "Woroniecki"... The couple's full names are Michael Peter and Rachel Woronieki, and they apparently travel around in a bus with their six children creating disturbances wherever they go...

I have never visited the site that describes them before, but clicking on various links, I found one section that describes how to recognize heresy and cults, which it appears Andrea fell into...

Again, sorry for not knowing how to post a direct link...

http://www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/news2/an020124-08.html

[SunnyUsa]

"She was very sick. If we can't agree on what should be done with her now, can't we agree on that much?"

I think she was a time bomb and disgusting really - with that hair, and if she smelled too - and then after what she did she deserves the death penalty.

BUT the difference is the *sick card* doesn't work for me, she KNEW enough to wait till the husband or anyone who could stop her wasnt around (those poor babies, they had no chance...and we know she chased the oldest...he KNEW he was going to DIE). I believe she committed the worse crime imaginable - I can't even think of one worse, unless she was able to kill her kids and her neighbor's too

It's not like she baked a cake afterwards, mowed the lawn and then went shopping at the mall.....AS soon as the DEED was done she called 911 and her husband - what anyone would do at a minimum....if they know right from wrong.

Why does this woman want to live? That's my question...how could you live with yourself after drowning her 5 babies?

The only thing that is regrettable is this wretch of a woman couldn't manage to kill herself before she harmed her children.