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Yates lived by rigid schedule, according to husband
The Dallas Morning News ^ | March 1, 2002 (The Ides of March are upon us!) | By TERRI LANGFORD / The Dallas Morning News

Posted on 03/01/2002 1:45:51 AM PST by MeekOneGOP


Yates lived by rigid schedule, according to husband

Husband also testifies she was allowed 3 hours a week without her kids

03/01/2002

By TERRI LANGFORD / The Dallas Morning News

HOUSTON - Russell "Rusty" Yates told jurors Thursday about how his wife, Andrea, lived by a rigid schedule as housekeeper and teacher and was allowed three hours each week to do whatever she wanted, alone, without her children.

"Man's the breadwinner and the woman's the homemaker," Mr. Yates said Thursday during Mrs. Yates' capital murder trial. Mrs. Yates pleaded insanity after admitting that she drowned her five children in June.

While he talked proudly of the couple's decision to toe a higher ethical line based on biblical teachings and lessons gleaned from a conservative newsletter called "Perilous Times," Mr. Yates coincidentally painted a picture for jurors of a bleak life bereft of any outlet for Mrs. Yates besides her children.

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"A scared animal" is how Debbie Holmes testified that her friend Andrea Yates behaved in the days before she killed her children.

Mr. Yates, 37, told the jury that he and his wife agreed before their wedding in 1993 to a "traditional" marriage in which he would serve as sole breadwinner and she would be homemaker.

The pact included being a stay-at-home mother, primary caregiver and, eventually, home-school teacher. Mr. Yates said that he controlled the cash and that she stuck carefully to an allowance.

Therapist Earline Wilcott, who met with Mrs. Yates after her suicide attempts, testified that her client felt overwhelmed and trapped.

Ms. Wilcott said Mrs. Yates felt criticized for the way she ran the household. Ms. Wilcott said Mrs. Yates told her that her husband bought her a book on how to get organized.

When pressure from raising their children appeared to be getting to Mrs. Yates, she could always look forward to Thursdays. Mr. Yates testified that for three hours once each week from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. Mrs. Yates could do whatever she wanted, alone, without the children.

The free time was to provide some relief for his wife, Mr. Yates said. "I guess that's what we decided," he said.

Mrs. Yates is a diagnosed schizophrenic predisposed to pitch-black depressions that followed the births of her last two children. Testimony has shown that the 37-year-old registered nurse with perfectionist tendencies and a solid Christian faith went along with the home management plan she and Mr. Yates hammered out before marriage.

During a second day of testimony, this time during questioning by Harris County prosecutor Joe Owmby, Mr. Yates, a NASA engineer, said he and Mrs. Yates agreed before marrying that she would give up her job at M.D. Anderson Cancer Center at Houston.

"We thought it best that Andrea be home," Mr. Yates testified.

Prosecutors say Mrs. Yates was fully aware of what she was doing when she drowned Noah, 7; John, 5; Paul, 3; Luke, 2; and 6-month-old Mary in the family bathtub.

Mrs. Yates' trial, which began Feb. 18, is expected to go through next week. She faces life in prison or lethal injection if convicted.

During questioning, Mr. Yates said his wife was quiet and remarkably modest. After they were married, Mrs. Yates wouldn't undress in front of her husband. "That's a pretty personal question, but generally that's true. She's shy," he testified.

While Mr. Yates found time for interests such as biking to work, joining a gym and working in the garage, Mrs. Yates had the children and home-schooling to keep up with.

Their life also included some unusual experiments and choices.

Almost as soon as their first home was built, they rented it out, trading it for a 38-foot trailer to live a "simpler life."

"I think a lot of it was that Andrea was generally happy in the house, I probably wasn't as happy in the house," he said.

After being married 41/2 years, with three young children and another on the way, they sold the trailer for a $37,000 converted Greyhound bus.

"I didn't view it as a hardship," Mr. Yates said. "We like it better than a house."

After the 1999 birth of their fourth child, Luke, the close quarters appeared to get to her. She summoned her husband home one day. He found her sobbing and shaking in the back of the bus.

The next day, she took an overdose. Less than a month later, she held a knife to her throat.

Mr. Yates told jurors how he faithfully drove his wife to therapy after her two suicide attempts.

He also told jurors that his wife opted for natural childbirth.

Although he conceded that the newsletter he and his wife read advocated natural childbirth for a "humbling experience for a woman," Mr. Yates said it was his wife's idea to go without local anesthetic.

"It was her choice," he said. "Sometimes Andrea liked to take the hard road instead of an easy road."

Despite warnings from at least one psychiatrist who said having more children would bring Mrs. Yates a harsher version of the depression that sent her to try to kill herself, they had a fifth child on Nov. 30, 2000.

They knew that Haldol pulled her out of the depths in 1999, after the birth of Luke. When Mrs. Yates faltered again, particularly after her father died in March 2001, they asked for the drug again.

"I knew she was sick," Mr. Yates said. "She wouldn't have tried to commit suicide if she hadn't been sick."

Four days before she drowned her children, Mrs. Yates awoke screaming that she was trapped. As her husband comforted her, she told him about her nightmare. "Something about in her dream she was trapped in her bed," Mr. Yates said.

"A scared animal" is how Debbie Holmes later testified that Mrs. Yates behaved in the days before she killed her children. The women met about 16 years ago at M.D. Anderson.

Mrs. Holmes said Mrs. Yates spoke only three complete sentences to her in the four months before the children died. Her hair greasy and matted, her body reeking, Mrs. Yates was a walking zombie then, Mrs. Holmes said.

"I was appalled," said Mrs. Holmes. "She looked like a cancer patient." When she heard that the children were drowned, a teary Mrs. Holmes said she collapsed.

"I fell on the floor, and I just cried," Mrs. Holmes said. "I was screaming. It can't be my Andrea."


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To: hobbes1
I didn't miss that or any other point. I am addressing this article which is stating that his so called rigidity drove her over the edge. I couldn't give a rat's ass about his feelings of guilt. Of course he is culpable but this is a ploy dreamt up by the defense. Period.
141 posted on 03/01/2002 5:25:33 AM PST by riley1992
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To: MeeknMing
It sounds like ol' Russel needs to be standing trial with his wife. IMO, his freakish treatment of her led to all this (that doesn't excuse her, though. She still needs to spend the rest of her life in jail).
142 posted on 03/01/2002 5:26:16 AM PST by oldvike
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To: Puddleglum
I agree with every point you made.
143 posted on 03/01/2002 5:26:41 AM PST by riley1992
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To: one_particular_harbour
Schedules (with the exception of work) should be varied.

Burglars work on the assumption that people are going to leave their homes at the same time every day. So much for schedules.

144 posted on 03/01/2002 5:26:46 AM PST by Slip18
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To: glory
ping for later read
145 posted on 03/01/2002 5:26:47 AM PST by glory
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To: Puddleglum
This is all too complex to comprehend on the basis of news reports, but it showcases important issues in contemporary psychiatry and jurisprudence.

Perhaps I missed the answer to my question, which is: what was her motive for killing her children? Motive is an important element of intent, which must be proven in order to find a defendant guilty of murder.....

146 posted on 03/01/2002 5:27:03 AM PST by tracer
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To: MeeknMing
Women stayed at home 50 - 60 years ago under these same conditions, and had at times more than 5 kids, with no electric appliances, etc., but I never heard of them killing their kids.
147 posted on 03/01/2002 5:28:03 AM PST by Giddyupgo
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To: DouglasKC
"The fact that they were living in a bus with 4 small children is no excuse either. My mother and father lived in a trailer much smaller than a greyhound bus with 4 of us kids 4 years old and under and we all ended up not being killed."

My immmigrant great grandparents homesteaded on the prairie and had 11 children. My grandmother, their 8th child, remembered moving out of their SOD HOUSE when she was 3. They moved into a relatively small frame house after that. Sadly, one daughter died of appendicitis, but all the others survived and prospered.

It's hard to keep in perspective, but given past living conditions, we're all pretty pampered these days. Life used to be MUCH harder.

148 posted on 03/01/2002 5:28:39 AM PST by Artist
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To: Puddleglum
Second point: I know some of you sympahtize with this woman, but even if the man were the monster the defense, IN AN EFFORT TO SHIFT BLAME from their client, says he is, why was she not moved to RESCUE the children? Because she chose the path of least resistance for herself, and she chose it long ago, and at some point she willingly unlocked the door and stepped on path that made the selfish murderer she was on that day. Every murderer behind bars will tell you a line of victimhood if you let them, but all are not as smooth-cheeked and teary and as whupped-dog looking as Ms. Yates. Look, either we have free will or we don't.

That is either an ignorance of the womans documented medical history or the most idiotic statement I have heard yet regarding this tragedy.

He is the Monster. She had no free will, she was a schizophrenic with pitch black depressions. she was medically incapable of caring for herself and others.Period.

149 posted on 03/01/2002 5:29:03 AM PST by hobbes1
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To: MeeknMing
I find it strange that they lived in such small quarters. Other than that, we have 8 kids, we homeschool, my wife stays home and I work, she had natural child birth. What's wrong with that. I don't think she gets very many hours a week to herself either.

My wife laughed at the horrible story they tried to paint of Andrea's life.

150 posted on 03/01/2002 5:30:20 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: tracer
"Motive is an important element of intent . . ."

To "punish" her husband, perhaps? Wasn't he the second phone call?

152 posted on 03/01/2002 5:31:58 AM PST by Slip18
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To: Puddleglum
There was an interesting post a few days back about predestination, glum, and if you do a search, you might find it. It discusses the "free will" idea from an "out-of-time" perspective.

There was also an interesting article on WorldNet Daily titled "Satan, science, and the supernatural" posted on Feb. 25th by Vox Day that might be worth a read.

Lots of thought provoking information in these two articles, especially when considering Russell and Andrea Yates....

153 posted on 03/01/2002 5:32:48 AM PST by jacquej
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To: jacquej
I feel so sorry for young women today who face this choice between family life and career. I am convinced that the breakdown of traditional values is in part responsible for the chaos we see in our schools and communities today, and then along comes a case like this to bring it all into the open...

I agree wholeheartedly that society is being affected by the breakdown in traditional values. I am very lucky in that i have a unique situation that allows me to have a career and to raise my children. i realize that is rare and not remotely the norm. While i see clearly the inclination to defend the lifestyle that the Yates family chose, i hate to see the traditional Christian family discredited by defense of this particularly horrifying situation

154 posted on 03/01/2002 5:32:50 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: Illbay
This woman was nothing but a cold-hearted murderer. Dressing her up as a victim of the patriarchy is outrageous, but it will likely get her acquitted.

I agree. Even if she was totally dominated, it was her decision, she could have left.

155 posted on 03/01/2002 5:33:00 AM PST by FITZ
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To: riley1992
Of course he is culpable but this is a ploy dreamt up by the defense. Period.

Not if her medical history as reported, is accurate.

157 posted on 03/01/2002 5:35:30 AM PST by hobbes1
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To: hobbes1
Bull. Are you trying to tell me you are buying this garbage?
158 posted on 03/01/2002 5:36:50 AM PST by riley1992
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To: knuthom
The husband as breadwinner, the wife as homemaker and mother, natural childbirth, home schooling

Don't buy into the line that these things were enough to cause the problems Andrea Yates had. I have lived like this for 25 years and know lots of other happy, well-adjusted families who do also.

I agree. Typical feminist garbage. She was sick, her husband apparently was sick also.. but being a homemaker, having natural childbirth and homeschooling did not cause these problems. Give me a break!

159 posted on 03/01/2002 5:37:40 AM PST by Jennifer in Florida
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To: one_particular_harbour
But when you try to claim she should have done something, you gloss over the realities of life.

Well said. In the rush to pronounce her fit for firewood, no one seems to want to consider the considerable medical documentation that while not absolving her, definitely points the finger of guilt at him.

160 posted on 03/01/2002 5:37:59 AM PST by hobbes1
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