Posted on 02/28/2002 1:53:58 AM PST by JohnHuang2
Christian Astier, a 44-year-old Parisian, agrees that there is an "axis of evil." But he thinks the United States is part of it."I have a very negative view of the Americans because they are intolerant, they focus on themselves and they think only about themselves," the civil servant says. "They are part of the 'axis of evil' as well."
Astier is far from alone in his thinking.
As post-Sept. 11 solidarity with the United States dies down in Europe and elsewhere around the world, unease and anger with American policy and Americans in general have returned to a degree that might surprise those accustomed to the global outpouring of support after the terror attacks.
Experts disagree on how much European anger is on the rise. Most believe that opinion has shifted away from the blanket support the United States received immediately after the attacks. Many think Europe is still largely sympathetic to its pal across the pond, but feel the wave of post Sept. 11 compassion has given way to deep fears about what it sees as heavy-handed U.S. policy.
Evidence of Backlash
The welcome wagon may be headed into the sunset.
"The emotions of Sept. 11 have faded," says Dominique Moisi, the deputy director of the French Institute of International Relations in Paris, referring to French public opinion today. "If you read the French press today, you have the feeling that the threat is America."
"Americans may not yet be fully aware of this, but the fact is that anti-American sentiments are resurfacing in Europe," the Belgian newspaper De Standaard wrote earlier this month. "It was striking how short the period of widespread solidarity and sympathy with the United States was in the wake of September 11."
Some commentators, such as novelist Salman Rushdie, point to a deeper anti-Americanism that reaches well beyond the political commentators who have always criticized the United States.
"Night after night, I have found myself listening to Londoners' diatribes against the sheer weirdness of the American citizenry. The attacks on America are routinely discounted. ('Americans only care about their own dead.') American patriotism, obesity, emotionality, self-centredness: these are the crucial issues," Rushdie wrote in an op-ed piece that appeared in American, Canadian and British newspapers.
Some commentators here and abroad have argued the just-concluded Winter Olympics reflected this growing global resentment.
Washington Post columnist Sally Jenkins labeled the controversies at the Salt Lake City Games an "anti-American binge," citing international anger over the gold medals Americans Apolo Ohno and Sarah Hughes won in speed skating and figure skating.
"It was ultimately impossible to separate the [Salt Lake] Games from the fact of American hegemony in the world and the United States' go-it-alone approach in foreign policy," she wrote after the closing ceremonies.
Shortly after the games began, England's left-of-center Guardian newspaper reported that the "wave of American jingoism and intense security" had some senior Olympic officials privately voicing concern about whether the United States could host the Olympics again.
It Was Different Right After Sept. 11
Such criticisms seem a world away from the immediate global rush of sympathy after the attacks.
"I think that everybody felt solidarity with the Americans," says Emilie Bloch, a 22-year-old student in Paris, describing the mood in late September of last year.
"Immediately following Sept. 11 there was a genuine sense of unity, solidarity, and humanity with the United States. Europeans saw it as an attack on all right-thinking people," agrees Steven Everts, a research fellow at the Center for European Reform in London.
In the weeks after Sept. 11, Europe rallied to the American cause. Nearly three-quarters of the British public supported using British troops against the terrorists responsible for the attacks, according to one poll, and 70 percent approved of the way President Bush was handling the U.S. response. The fact that Sept. 11 victims came from 26 countries also increased the sense that the attacks had reached around the globe.
"I think there was so much sympathy here," says Natasha Walters, a columnist for the Independent in London. "It was almost as though it had happened here."
Emotions Fade, Differences Appear
But as time passed and the anti-terrorism campaign took new turns, that feeling was tempered by growing unease with U.S. policy and shock at the American military's sheer might in the assault on Afghanistan.
"None of that feeling [of post-Sept. 11 support] has soured among my immediate family and friends who remain supportive of the U.S., but in the U.K., there is a groundswell of dissent [about U.S. policy]," says Charles Elder, a Kansas native who has lived in England for the past 20 years.
Bill Martel, a professor of national security affairs at the U.S. Naval War College, thinks the fact that the attacks occurred on American not European soil meant that different reactions were inevitable.
"They didn't suffer what we suffered. They didn't see 3,000 Europeans killed on Sept. 11," he says.
Anger Over Camp X-Ray and the Axis of Evil
As the war in Afghanistan progressed, U.S. foreign policy alarmed a broad cross-section of European politicians and public figures. They complained that the United States was directing its anti-terror campaign without consulting its European partners.
In late December, support for widening the conflict beyond Afghanistan was slim, with just 32 percent of Europeans polled saying they supported attacking Iraq and Somalia if those countries supported terrorism.
Many European policymakers had expected American foreign policy would become much more multilateral after Sept. 11. Now, they fear that the clear superiority of the American military would make other nations irrelevant in U.S. policymakers' eyes.
"There's almost a sense of betrayal," Alberta Sbragia, director of the European Union Center at the University of Pittsburgh, says of the European reaction.
The U.S. treatment of Afghan detainees at Camp X-Ray in Guantanamo, Cuba, also drew outcries from around Europe.
The Camp X-Ray controversy prompted Rosa Montero, a columnist for Spain's El Pais, to write: "One of the most harmful aspects of American society is its Calvinist notion of vengeance the primitive 'eye for an eye' of frontier law, the moral intolerance."
"Everybody from left to right were talking about it in shocked tones," says Walters, the Independent columnist. "I thought that was a turning point."
Decrying American Arrogance
Bush's "axis of evil" remark in his State of the Union address likewise drew widespread condemnation overseas. Only British lawmakers came out strongly in support of Bush's speech, and even there, politicians were openly skeptical of Bush's rhetoric.
The moderate Independent newspaper wrote: "America is already envied and disliked because of its domination. The danger is that Mr Bush's speech, with its simple certainties and pronounced unilateralist flavour, will merely fuel that resentment further."
The speech prompted Anatole Kaletsky the main economic correspondent for the right-of-center Times of London, which typically takes a favorable position toward the United States to write: "The greatest danger to America's dominant position today is not Islamic fundamentalism. It is the arrogance of American power."
Trans-Atlantic Tensions Are Nothing New
The significance of such comments is unclear, however. Some feel that European unease with American policy is nothing new.
"I think the reality is that there are long-standing strains within the [American-European] alliance," says Warren Bass, director of special projects and the Terrorism Program at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington.
He cites disputes that are "near and dear to the hearts of many European countries," such as Bush's refusal to sign the Kyoto environmental accord and his desire to leave the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, among others.
In France, even just two weeks after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, poll by an international research firm found only 24 percent thought American foreign policy had a positive effect on France. In Germany, the total was 37 percent; in Britain it was 43 percent.
Broad Criticism, But How Deep Does It Run?
Iain Murray, research director at the Statistical Assessment Service, a nonprofit research organization in Washington, believes the criticism of U.S. policy is mostly confined to politicians and writers.
"There's still a residual sentiment in favor of America among the general populace," he says.
He also says upcoming elections in France and Germany may be pushing politicians there to show they are not merely towing the American line.
"There's definitely a [backlash against America] but I think many commentators are exaggerating it," he says.
Robert Lieber, a professor of government and foreign service at Georgetown University in Washington, says he thinks the European outcry is unlikely to lead to a major rift between the continent and the United States.
"Underlying things hold us together," he says. "Western values, shared interests in the Western economic system, liberal constitutional governments."
By Oliver Libaw
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Oliver Libaw's 'Ugly America?': A Rejoinder
Still wonder why conservative Americans resolutely oppose Shays-Meehan -- I've dubbed it the Media bailout act of '02 -- with every fiber of their being ?
For the answer, you need only read this ridiculously slanted, fatuously skewed propaganda twaddle, courtesy of ABCNEWS. For the 'blame-America' firsters, this piece is jamboree time.
In a free and vibrant society, truthful and dependable news and information is essential. Its dissemination, like a briskly flowing, life-giving river, is the stable of human liberty itself.
It's why Shays-Meehan's attempt to muzzle citizen groups while handing Big Media sole proprietorship over retailing political news is so insidious -- and dangerous. Both are enshrined in the bill, a dastardly twisted piece of deceit in the guise of "reform".
Examine Mr. Libaw's screed, and will you find only the vaguest tinge of fairness and balance, barring a few throw-away lines at the end.
He opens by quoting a 'civil servant' from Paris -- not quite a hotbed of pro-Americanism, at any rate.
Mr. Libaw writes the Parisian "agrees that there is an 'axis of evil'. But....the United States is part of it."
Gee, how elegant. You'll notice our ABCNEWS "reporter", oddly enough, fails to 'explore' the meaning of this 'axis', at least as Christian Astier, the Parisian', might define it.
Big Media mocks and ridicules the President's use of the phrase as spurious and false -- a slipshod and careless misapplication, given the absense of any formal alliance between Iraq, Iran or North Korea -- unlike the Axis powers in World War II.
Liberals deny any problem with the President's use of the word 'evil'. Nope, it's the 'axis' part they can't stomach.
Yeah, right. If that were the case, Astier would have been called on it, a la 'Sir, are you saying the U.S. is part of a sinister 'alliance' with Iran and Iraq -- or North Korea?'
Had the President genuflected to the left by including America in his 'axis of evil', Big Media would never have quibbled with the word 'axis'.
For "evidence" of a "backlash", Mr Libaw turns to yet another Parisian, this time the deputy director of the French Institute of International Relations, Dominique Moisi. "If you read the French press today, you have the feeling that the threat is America," Moisi told ABCNEWS.
Lemme see here: A wave of Anti-Americanism is inundating the French press, and (gasp!) this is supposed to be "news"?
Give me a break.
For further "proof", Mr. Libaw cites Washington Post columnist Sally Jenkins' impressions from this winter's Olympic games, a Belgian newspaper, a student in France, Salman Rushdie (no, I'm not making this up), and the always dependably anti-American, Guardian "newspaper" -- fishwrap is more like it.
Mr. Libaw writes that "criticisms seem a world away from the immediate global rush of sympathy after the [September 11] attacks".
What rubbish. This "global rush of sympathy" was an anomaly, a fleeting aberration. Anyone even faintly familiar with Europe's erratic, whimsical ways would know that.
"But as time passed", Mr. Libaw continues, "and the anti-terrorism campaign took new turns, that feeling was tempered by growing unease with U.S. policy and shock at the American military's sheer might in the assault on Afghanistan."
Oh, I see. In other words, had we not "assaulted" the Taliban with such "sheer" military "might", Europeans would like us more? Is that it? Okay, how about 'love bombs'? -- you know, the ones X42 used to bomb Serbia into the stoneage -- killing thousands in the deal? Gee, I don't recall all this righteous indignation back then, do you?
Which gets to the bottom line.
It's not hard to decipher Mr. Libaw's motive for scrawling this piece of one-sided yellow-journalism.
The purpose?
Simple: "Reporters" -- not all, but most -- secretly share such anti-American sentiments themselves. It's the same motivation behind the Big Media blitz of a Gallup poll documenting how much America is hated in the Muslim world.
On his MSNBC show Making Sense, Ambassador Alan Keyes Wednesday night said he felt hurt upon reading the results in this survey of nine Muslim countries.
That reaction, in a nutshell, is the big difference between a patriot like Alan Keyes versus most of his colleagues in the "journalistic" community. While Ambassador Keyes may have been hurt, most "reporters" were relieved -- allieviated by the knowledge that, in loathing this country they're 'not alone'.
Yet, there's a tremendous amount of hypocrisy involved as well.
How so?
Ask yourself: How many American "reporters" would voluntarily renounce their citizenship and move to Pakistan? I'd wager not many.
Yet, despite the much ballyhooed 'anti-Americanism' abroad, many would gladly move to the good ol' U.S. of A.
I rest my case.
My two cents...
"JohnHuang2"
Truth is not a free good, and the First Amendment does not guarantee us "the truth". To the contrary it stipulates that the government shall not muzzle us even when somebody (or most everybody) thinks we are wrong. Sorting out the truth is not the government's job; we the people have that task, and cannot delegate it and remain free.
It's why Shays-Meehan's attempt to muzzle citizen groups while handing Big Media sole proprietorship over retailing political news is so insidious -- and dangerous. Both are enshrined in the bill, a dastardly twisted piece of deceit in the guise of "reform".
Big Media has two distinct components: print journalism and broadcast journalism. The First Amendment could scarcely be clearer that print journalism--any print medium--can say 'most anything it wants.
But broadcasting as we know it--hence broadcast journalism as we know it--would not exist without government censorship. Without, that is, government's assigning certain frequencies at certain locations to certain people and forbidding anyone to broadcast without leave.
The author and ratifiers of the First Amendment surely would have loved FR and hated the FCC; access to publishing in the former is more democratic than the press whereas the latter is purely government regulation and elitism. It is ironic that Democrats started talking about "the rich man's wallet and the poor man's soap box" at the very moment that the internet in general and FreeRepublic in particular was empowering "the poor man's soap box." CFR advocates, however, desire the opposite. They desire to censor we the people. They have not the slightest thought of censoring the people who believe the press cllippings they themselves lovingly write about their own objectivity.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We've seen it all before. Remember when we were a bunch of tacky, uncultured upstarts? Unwashed masses? Unwanted peasante? Deja vu! Just wait until they want us to come bail them out again. They they'll be our best friends. Really. We mean it this time. Honest and truly. Now and forever. Blah. Blah. Blah. And hell, we'll probably save their sorry ungrateful bohunckuses again.
If it were not for us Americans, you Frenchmen would be Germans. And you Germans would be Russians.
Foul weather friends!
Hell, I feel the same way. And I'm a fourteenth generation American.
What a shock, a frog doesn't like us. I could care less what the frogs or any other euro-trash socialists think of us. How is it that they only find the dregs of the earth to interview in Europe when there are lots of Europeans that agree with us?
I will forward this to the graves at Normady.
And here's another one I love from right after 9-11, in case not everyone saw it back then.
Here's just a bit of it, from the British author of this piece at the UK Times:
'I am sick of my generation's whining ingratitude, its wilful, infantile loathing of the great, tumultuous, witty and infinitely clever nation that has so often saved us from ourselves. But I am heartened by something my 19- year-old daughter said: "America has always been magic to us, we don't understand why you lot hate it so much."'
Resurfacing? The Europeans have always disliked America and never bother to hide their resentment and their negative feelings toward us.
Who needs them! (notice this was not a question)
The only country that ever paid us back as far as I know is Finland, just a tiny place but they paid us back. hahahhaaa.....
Thanks John for the ping.
These countries would have critized us if we had done nothing ahout the attack on us too. It is a no win situtaion. America is better off just doing what President Bush said.... either for us or with the terrorists.
This is from a Francophone! He's got alot of nerve!
FOUL WEATHER FRIENDSAn Original Poem by the Savage Beast
When we liberated Paris
They showered us with flowers!
It was true love forever without end!
But as storm clouds subsided
And sunny skies abided
We couldn't get 'em on the friggin' phone!
Now they blow their nose at us
And sneer at us and cuss,
But wait until we have another rain.
Through the storm, as lightening hisses,
They will shower us with kisses
And love forever after once again.
Sorry for the rant on your excellent thread
Whatcha apologizing for? Your 'rant' was great, amigo.
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