Posted on 02/27/2002 11:57:33 AM PST by 45Auto
AB 2222, as introduced, Koretz. .50 caliber sniper weapons.
Under existing law it is a crime to manufacture, cause to be manufactured, import into the state, keep for sale, or offer or expose for sale, or to give, lend, or possess certain dangerous weapons, as specified.
This bill would add to the list of dangerous weapons subject to those prohibitions, small arms armor piercing ammunition, as defined.
By changing the scope of an existing crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program. Existing law generally regulates the manufacture, possession, transport, and sale of machineguns, as defined.
This bill would similarly regulate .50 caliber sniper weapons, as defined. This bill would also provide, subject to exceptions, that any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, distributes, transports, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives or lends a .50 caliber sniper weapon is guilty of felony punishable by 4, 6, or 8 year imprisonment in the state prison.
This bill would further provide that, subject to exceptions, possession of a .50 caliber sniper weapon in violation of law would be punishable by imprisonment in state prison or in a county jail, not exceeding one year.
By creating new crimes, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program. Existing law requires, except as specified, for the destruction, as a nuisance, of a machinegun possessed in violation of law.
This bill would similarly require, except as specified, for the destruction, as a nuisance, of a .50 caliber sniper weapon possessed in violation of law.
Existing law provides that persons may arrange to relinquish an assault weapon to a police or sheriff's department. This bill would similarly permit persons to arrange to relinquish a .50 caliber sniper weapon to a police or sheriff's department.
The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement. This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason.
Your grandmother's Caddy generates more kinetic energy. Why does she NEED it? When it comes down to it, why does anyone NEED much of anything?
The .50 can't destroy modern tanks. About the best you could do would be to jam the turret (unlikely). You are repeating half-truths and un-truths. If you get your facts correct, people will be more likely to discuss the issue with you instead of just flaming you.
/john
You need to find out the real capability of the .50, instead of the hype that HCI et al. spew.
I own one, so I know that you are factually incorrect. The bullet drop at 1000 meters (with match ammo) is 224.26 inches, or 21.4 MOA or 83 clicks on the elevation adjustment with a 0 at 200 meters. Few scopes do many more elevation clicks. It takes the bullet 1.26 seconds to reach that distance. How far does a car move in 1.26 seconds if it is going 60 mph? Even if it is sitting still, a wind of 5 miles per hour can make the bullet drift completely off target at that distance. It's just not that easy.
/john
I used .50 cals in the Marine Corps. It possible to incapacitate not destroy all the things you mentioned, except for a tank. A .50 will bounce off the skin of a main battle tank. I don't know what BS you have been reading but you are completely ignorant about weapons.
What the hell do you think the founding of this country was about if not the natural rights of man? It seems you're on a mission to prove your ignorance with every single sentence you type.
From the very first paragraph of The Declaration of Independence:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness ...
Suffice it to say that rights are restricted. For example the 1st amendment right to free speech is limited. You can't yell fire in a crowded theatre. Why? Cause doing so endangers the common good.
There you go again, proving you haven't the slightest clue of the meaning of a right. The right itself is not "restricted" or "limited" in any way. It's when you violate someone else's right that you violate the rule of law. Your movie theater example is perfect.
You don't have a right to feel safe from my .50 cal. There is no such right as the right to feel all warm and fuzzy because you're paranoid of good people. I am in no way violating your rights simply by owning a gun. If I threaten you or shoot you with my .50, that's a different story. Then we're in the movie theater.
I can see I'm wasting my time as you have not a clue as to the concept of "rights". You think rights are whatever people at any given time pick and choose according to the mindset du-jour. Our founders would tell you they're unalienable, not subject to stupid shut-ins that come along and want to take that right away because they feel threatened or think it's a good idea.
BTW, name for me one single solitary instance where one of these .50 cals has been used by a citizen to hurt another human being, just one. Despite the fact that thousands upon thousands have been sold, not one has been used to violate another American citizens "rights".
HAHAHA...oh this a good one. You pay me whether you like it or not. As for the training.. as a Federal Agent I can tell you there a numerous cops and Agents that should be nowhere near a gun. You don't elect my superiors either. As a private citizen I see our rights starting to wane. As a Fed my power and authority over you is increasing. I can do anything I want to you under the auspices of the government and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.
So how do you propose to wrest these dangerous items from the the rest of us great unwashed?
So let's hear it - what price in blood are you willing to pay? How much butchery are you willing to support? And just how immune do you suppose yourself from the consequences?
Think it through and get back to us...
Are you the guy that indicted the ham sandwitch? ;>)
/john
Woooooohooooooo! Sing it brother!
Gosh, is there any way you can convert some of your co-workers? If all the people in my government thought like you, I'd be a freaking monarchist instead of an activist. I'd leave everything to you guys and go back to farting around doing yard work or something.
God bless you friend. Just be careful not to get on the wrong idiots bad side, we need you where you are.
/john
It doesn't matter if you get shot by a .50 cal or smacked on the head with a hammer, you'll still end up just as dead.
What do you think target shooting is huh? What is that called? Oh yeah its called a legitimate use for a .50 cal.
By the way it your faithful government that allowed the Al Queda to purchase the weapons in question.
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