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WHEN YOU ARE READY TO HAVE A SERIOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT GREEN LANTERN, YOU HAVE MY EMAIL ADDRESS.
02/2002 | Larry Groznic

Posted on 02/25/2002 11:47:29 PM PST by Big Guy and Rusty 99

I consider you a friend, Douglas. Together, we have shared many adventures, from waiting in line for the Star Wars: Episode I premiere to meeting Mark "Dukat" Alaimo at ComiCon 2001. Your friendship is as valuable to me as my Michael York-autographed DVD of Logan's Run.

But when it comes to reasoned, thoughtful, and informed discussions on the Green Lantern continuum and its place within the larger DC universe, I hold friends to the same high standard I would strangers or anyone else.

So long as you insist on clinging to your, quite frankly, bizarre opinions on the Emerald Knight's 60-plus-year history, it is not worth my time to engage you in purposeless noisemaking. Rather than become agitated, as I've allowed you to make me in the past, I will simply serve notice that I will not entertain any future Green Lantern discussions with you until you have come to a more mature place in your development as a fan. When you are ready to have a serious conversation about Green Lantern, you have my e-mail address.

I can forgive your unwillingness to recognize that Hal Jordan is, and forever shall be, the greatest Green Lantern of all time. After all, though I can never hope to understand it, the world is peppered with otherwise intelligent persons who inexplicably lack the sense to see Hal's towering superiority. But Kyle Rayner? This way lies madness, Douglas. At the very least, name John Stewart as your favorite. Or Guy Gardner. Or any of the countless Silver Age Lanterns. Heck, even Abin Sur is more interesting than Kyle. When he enlisted Kyle, Ganthet himself merely said, "You'll do." Is that your idea of a ringing endorsement?

I mean, if you are hot for Jade or something, you could simply say so, and no one would think the less of you for it. But don't couch your opinions in a false respect for Phase III Green Lantern that supersedes any enjoyment of the Silver Age. You might as well read Aquaman if you're going to act like that.

In particular, I am baffled by your insistence that being "more powerful" makes Kyle a better Lantern. Are superheroes always superior when they're invincible? If Superman was better when he was able to move entire solar systems, why, then, was John Byrne enlisted to reinvent him as a more vulnerable character who can get injured by his foes and even killed? Because to hear you tell it, Douglas, Superman was "ruined" by the '80s revamp, long before the ridiculous electrical version.

By your twisted logic, Green Lantern's ongoing "Ion" story arc ought never end. Instead, Kyle should simply retain his infallible godlike powers forever, enshrined in comics history as the most powerful (and, therefore, best) superhero of all time.

But this is hardly the only belief of yours with which I take extreme umbrage. I find particularly laughable your naïve conviction that Hal's vulnerability to the color yellow damages the comic's storyline rather than adding excitement. Are you intentionally trying to miss the point with comments like, "You would just have to shoot him with a yellow bullet"? Jumping fish hooks, how many times do I have to explain: NO, he can't use the actual BEAM to stop such a bullet, but he can GRASP solid things with it to use as a shield! And this is just one example! Think creatively, Douglas, or at least consult the Silver Age issues.

And don't drag me into that same stale argument of yours that Sinestro would beat Hal every time if they fought in real life. For some strange reason, you continue to insist on defining fighting skill in terms of brute strength. Don't you see that in a power-ring duel, strategy and reflexes are of the essence? Only an emotional child could spend hours arguing that Sinestro is a better fighter than Hal Jordan, in the face of my lengthy, point-by-point rebuttals. Oh, and, by the way, Superman must also suck, because you'd just have to shoot him with a Kryptonite bullet, right?

Perhaps I am overstating my case. It is not the actual idea of Kyle Rayner to which I am so opposed. But in the hands of a writer like Judd Winick, why does DC even bother printing it? I'm not even going to get into his contempt and utter disregard for the sanctity of the established Green Lantern continuity; I'd only be rehashing my comments already made public on the dccomics.com message board. For purposes of this discussion, I will focus strictly on Issue #137. Did Mr. Winick say to himself, "Yeah, Hal Jordan may be the savior of Sector 2814, but it's not like he ever befriended a gay teenager. Now, that's a superhero!" Who on this planet has ever said to themselves, "Say, I wonder whether gay people are actually okay folks just like you and me. I sure wish Green Lantern would weigh in on the matter"? Somebody needs to tell Winick that homosexuality is not a hot-button issue, but that #137 is most definitely a lame one!

And may I remind you that you would not even be a Green Lantern fan had I not lent you my "Superman: Last Son Of Earth" Elseworlds two-parter, which, incidentally, was returned to me seven weeks later with an ugly brown smudge on the lower-right of page 37 of Part One? Oh, and then there's your allegation that the concept of the Green Lantern Corps is "ripped off" from Doc Smith's Lensman novels. I'm not even going to dignify that charge with a response.

I don't want this temporary madness on your part to jeopardize our friendship, Douglas. Now, after all, is a critical time for GL fandom. The runaway success of Lord Of The Rings makes a Lantern movie a genuine possibility, given the heightened general interest in movies about rings that possess great power. But while such a prospect is exciting, it will take a unified fan base to bring about the kind of feature film Green Lantern has so richly deserved for so long. Together, the world's GL fans can make their voices heard and help create what could and should be the greatest superhero film of all time. As long as it's based on the Silver Age comics. And Tim Burton isn't involved.

In conclusion, Douglas, I want to make it clear: You are still my friend. And I do not hate you. Though, frankly, deep down, I find myself pitying you.

It is ridiculous to let our friendship falter because of a juvenile disagreement about a comic book. I therefore await your e-mail of capitulation, as soon as you see fit to send it.

Oh, and I want my Legends Of The Superheroes bootleg back by Friday.


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To: Hegewisch Dupa
Jeez! What the heck does that guy do - beat the bad guys into submission with his sideburns?
21 posted on 02/26/2002 5:01:09 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
At least there actually was a black G.L. at some point.

How about the pricks in Hollywood casting a black Wilson Fisk in the upcoming Daredevil movie? Not to mention Ben frickin' Affleck as hornhead? AAAAAGGGGHHH! At least there's Blade 2 coming soon.

22 posted on 02/26/2002 5:03:23 AM PST by GreatOne
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To: Wolfie
he could challenge tham to a duel - but it would be five minutes before he could take Audrey Hepburn's gloves off.
23 posted on 02/26/2002 5:05:33 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Melas
Don't forget the great Guy Gardner - my fave GL...
24 posted on 02/26/2002 5:07:11 AM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan
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To: GreatOne
At least there's Blade 2 coming soon

Yeah, maybe, but they cast Conan O'Brian as the new Blade! :-)

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(Just kiddin)

25 posted on 02/26/2002 5:10:07 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: Melas
Close but not quite. Jon Stewart (the self-proclaimed "Black Lantern") was the third Green Lantern of Earth. Guy Gardner was Hal Jordan's original back-up but he got hit by a truck and was in a coma, so Guardians decided to recruit another back-up. They thought Hal was a tad square (racist) so they purposely chose a black guy, i.e., Jon Stewart. All three of them had rings by the way. Jon had his very own spin-off comic book for a while, but it stunk.
26 posted on 02/26/2002 5:15:25 AM PST by far sider
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
THAT'S a comic book hero?

Look into my eye!

Words escape me!

27 posted on 02/26/2002 5:51:13 AM PST by Jonah Hex
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To: nickcarraway
yep, last month . . . what a pianist!
28 posted on 02/26/2002 4:52:55 PM PST by Big Guy and Rusty 99
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To: martin_fierro
basically, this guy . . . . blanking his name was buddied up (it was a whole DC comics push on racial issues, don't ask) because he was GL's #1 fan (but not in aMisery kind of way) It one point Hal Jordan (the guy you remember as GL) got his life screwed up and this guy took over. Of course, this was 10 years ago. Why are they using the black guy instead of the classic silver age GL or the current GL? It is that stupid affirmitive action crap again.
29 posted on 02/26/2002 4:58:59 PM PST by Big Guy and Rusty 99
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
Yes, I saw him at the Village Vanguard in 1999. He seemed in great health though.
30 posted on 02/26/2002 5:00:35 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Melas
you forgot Guy Garner!
31 posted on 02/26/2002 5:01:33 PM PST by Big Guy and Rusty 99
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To: nickcarraway
I love his comping on Trane's Giant Steps album.
32 posted on 02/26/2002 5:09:14 PM PST by Big Guy and Rusty 99
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
Marvel rules, DC drools......
33 posted on 02/26/2002 5:12:04 PM PST by Brett66
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To: Brett66
I agree, but you have to admit DC has got a lot better these days. I am hooked on batman now.
34 posted on 02/26/2002 5:56:37 PM PST by Big Guy and Rusty 99
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
I haven't really kept up on the comic world since '94-'95. After the death of Superman series, he converted to that electrical whatchamacallit and I lost interest. Marvel started coming out with all of those snazzy foil covers and #0's and #1/2's and that gimmick totally turned me off. Though the graphic novels featuring Batman were some of my favorites. Obviously, the Dark Knight Returns is in a class all by itself. Can't think of any other story line I enjoyed as much.
35 posted on 02/26/2002 6:19:48 PM PST by Brett66
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To: Melas;badrotofinger
There have been numerous Green Lanterns. John Stewart AKA the black one, was originally the ring's backup GL. If Hal were incapacitated, the ring would leave Hal's finger and seek John. Later John became THE Green Lantern, followed by others, and eventually the return of Hal. Hal's return didn't last long before Hal was replaced with Kyle Rayner, the current Green Lantern.
Point being, from a comic book standpoint, the black GL on the new show is legitimate, not a PC invention for the show.

Ah, OK! I'll buy that. For a second there I thought there might be some quota hiring system in place over at the Justice League.

Sigh, I knew I'd give myself away as a fanboy geek one day, and totally ruin my political credibility.

No, Clintoon and Gary Condit have ruined their political credibility. You've still got my vote (for High Minister of Toonery, at least). <|:)~

36 posted on 02/26/2002 7:28:35 PM PST by martin_fierro
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
Definitely. Too bad he didn't do more with Coltrane. I have a few live ones I enjoy with him playing for Coleman Hawkins.
37 posted on 02/26/2002 7:48:17 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
What a lame-o thread.

Even a Marvel Zombie knows that Alan Scott was the coolest GL.






38 posted on 02/26/2002 8:15:35 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
Yep...







39 posted on 02/26/2002 8:16:14 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
his weakness was wood? c'mon . . . any yahoo with a bad could take him down.
40 posted on 02/26/2002 8:57:03 PM PST by Big Guy and Rusty 99
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