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Posted on 02/25/2002 4:58:50 AM PST by doc30

I have a simple question for everyone here. Free Republic is a discussion forum that frequently involves articles and discussions of political candidates. Does this mean that, under campaign finance reform, Free Republic must be censored lest it violate the 60-day or 30-day rule in the current legislation? You thoughts please.


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To: The Old Hoosier
" But the only kind of "express advocacy" that would be forbidden under the bill is broadcast advertising. Not FR."

"The term `express advocacy' does not include a communication which is in printed form or posted on the Internet that--"

Does FR contain express advocacy for candidates, or not? If so, it is up to the bozos at the FEC to determine whether, or not , to punish FR. See the particular details to the exclusion of internet postings I gave above in post 16, Sec 201, b,20,B,iii. Do FR posts advocate the election, or defeat of certain particular candidates?

21 posted on 02/25/2002 9:56:53 AM PST by spunkets
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To: The Old Hoosier
Yes, but the 60-day prohibition doesn't apply to anything in writing. What you've quoted there was inserted in order to quell fears that Shays-Meehan would ban voter guides (per Meehan's office). If you read the part about exactly what is actually prohibited by the bill, you'll see that no print or internet material is ever mentioned, only radio and television broadcasts.

So the obvious answer to rain down leaflets (biodegradeable with non-toxic ink to avoid the environazis) on the cities like a war zone such as Afghanistan. We are an occupied people, occupied by politicians.

22 posted on 02/25/2002 9:58:18 AM PST by StriperSniper
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To: The Old Hoosier
"per Meehan's office"

Voter guides are sent by democrats, to democrats. They are nothing, but obfuscated advocacy. If the NRA sends out a voter guide, the very fact it was the NRA sending it out, makes it express advocacy for a certain position.

The FEC passes on rat activity now. They have their own publicly funded propaganda campaign now.

23 posted on 02/25/2002 10:04:06 AM PST by spunkets
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To: StriperSniper
"rain down leaflets"

You'll have to avoid being shot down by homeland security forces. Like the approach to, and over Cuba.

24 posted on 02/25/2002 10:07:42 AM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets
Yes and the 2nd is almost gone too.
25 posted on 02/25/2002 10:15:24 AM PST by Khepera
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To: doc30
No.
26 posted on 02/25/2002 10:16:49 AM PST by smith288
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To: Khepera
I'm thinking it will apply to whatever they want it to apply to. The constitution be damned.

Unfortunately, I think you're exactly right.

27 posted on 02/25/2002 10:17:37 AM PST by OWK
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To: doc30
You're just worried about who censors FR. FR is heavily censored by anonymous FR "Moderators."

Sure, there's lots of things that I like to see removed, and sure there are lots of legal and other reasons why JimRob is required to remove certain posts....but FR is NOT totally free speech, can't be.

So all they're arguing now is WHO regulates other kinds of speech. Same old slippy slope.

28 posted on 02/25/2002 10:22:16 AM PST by sam_paine
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To: OWK;*SASU;wwjdn;Argee;Brad's gramma;Dakmar;1 fellow freeper;EODGUY
Unfortunately, I think you're exactly right.

I'm going to go have my heart attack now!

29 posted on 02/25/2002 10:25:30 AM PST by Khepera
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To: Khepera
I'm going to go have my heart attack now!

We probably agree on much more than you think.

Our differences have less to do with what we think should be done, and more to do with who should do it.

You seem to favor government authority as the solution to problems.

I tend to favor individual liberty and absolute respect for the rights of individuals as the solution to problems.

30 posted on 02/25/2002 10:28:21 AM PST by OWK
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To: OWK;*SASU; JMJ333; Tourist Guy; EODGUY; proud2bRC; abandon; Khepera; Dakmar; RichInOC; RebelDawg...
I'm just more conservative as I want our laws to reflect our Judeo-Christian Heritage.  I say conservative in the way it is defined in the dictionary as opposed to the conservative as in the minds of Libertarians which do not in any way fit the definition of Conservative. I firmly believe the Liberals in this country are responsible for its soon coming downfall. We no longer have what we once did. We will exist in name only and may be there already.

Conservatives would fit this definition

con·ser·va·tive   Pronunciation Key  (kaltn-sûraltvalt-taltv)
adj.
  1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
  2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
  3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
    1. Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism.
    2. Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement.
  4. Conservative Of or belonging to the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
  5. Conservative Of or adhering to Conservative Judaism.
  6. Tending to conserve; preservative: the conservative use of natural resources.

n.
  1. One favoring traditional views and values.
  2. A supporter of political conservatism.
  3. Conservative A member or supporter of the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
  4. Archaic. A preservative agent or principle.
con·seraltva·tive·ly adv.
con·seraltva·tive·ness n.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.



conservative

\Con*serv"a*tive\, a. [Cf. F. conservatif.] 1. Having power to preserve in a safe of entire state, or from loss, waste, or injury; preservative.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.



conservative

\Con*serv"a*tive\, n. 1. One who, or that which, preserves from ruin, injury, innovation, or radical change; a preserver; a conserver.

The Holy Spirit is the great conservative of the new life. --Jer. Taylor.

2. One who desires to maintain existing institutions and customs; also, one who holds moderate opinions in politics; -- opposed to revolutionary or radical.

3. (Eng. Hist.) A member of the Conservative party.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

conservative

adj 1: resistant to change [ant: liberal] 2: opposed to liberal reforms 3: avoiding excess; "a conservative estimate" [syn: cautious] 4: unimaginatively conventional; "a colorful character in the buttoned-down, dull-gray world of business"- Newsweek [syn: button-down, buttoned-down] 5: conforming to the standards and conventions of the middle class; "a bourgeois mentality" [syn: bourgeois, materialistic] n : a person who has conservative ideas or opinions [syn: conservativist] [ant: liberal]

Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

The Libertarians best fit the following definitions

lib·er·al   Pronunciation Key  (laltbaltaltr-altl, laltbaltraltl)
adj.
    1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
    2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
    3. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
    4. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
    1. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
    2. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
  1. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
  2. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
    1. Archaic. Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
    2. Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious.

n.
  1. A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
  2. Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.


[Middle English, generous, from Old French, from Latin laltberaltlis, from laltber, free. See leudh- in Indo-European Roots.]
libalter·al·ly adv.
libalter·al·ness n.
Synonyms: liberal, bounteous, bountiful, freehanded, generous, handsome, munificent, openhanded
These adjectives mean willing or marked by a willingness to give unstintingly: a liberal backer of the arts; a bounteous feast; bountiful compliments; a freehanded host; a generous donation; a handsome offer; a munificent gift; fond and openhanded grandparents. See also synonyms at broad-minded
Antonyms: stingy

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.



liberal

\Lib"er*al\ (l[i^]b"[~e]r*al), a. [F. lib['e]ral, L. liberalis, from liber free; perh. akin to libet, lubet, it pleases, E. lief. Cf. Deliver.] 1. Free by birth; hence, befitting a freeman or gentleman; refined; noble; independent; free; not servile or mean; as, a liberal ancestry; a liberal spirit; liberal arts or studies. `` Liberal education.'' --Macaulay. `` A liberal tongue.'' --Shak.

2. Bestowing in a large and noble way, as a freeman; generous; bounteous; open-handed; as, a liberal giver. `` Liberal of praise.'' --Bacon.

Infinitely good, and of his good As liberal and free as infinite. --Milton.

3. Bestowed in a large way; hence, more than sufficient; abundant; bountiful; ample; profuse; as, a liberal gift; a liberal discharge of matter or of water.

His wealth doth warrant a liberal dower. --Shak.

4. Not strict or rigorous; not confined or restricted to the literal sense; free; as, a liberal translation of a classic, or a liberal construction of law or of language.

5. Not narrow or contracted in mind; not selfish; enlarged in spirit; catholic.

6. Free to excess; regardless of law or moral restraint; licentious. `` Most like a liberal villain.'' --Shak.

7. Not bound by orthodox tenets or established forms in political or religious philosophy; independent in opinion; not conservative; friendly to great freedom in the constitution or administration of government; having tendency toward democratic or republican, as distinguished from monarchical or aristocratic, forms; as, liberal thinkers; liberal Christians; the Liberal party.

I confess I see nothing liberal in this `` order of thoughts,'' as Hobbes elsewhere expresses it. --Hazlitt.

Note: Liberal has of, sometimes with, before the thing bestowed, in before a word signifying action, and to before a person or object on which anything is bestowed; as, to be liberal of praise or censure; liberal with money; liberal in giving; liberal to the poor.

The liberal arts. See under Art.

Liberal education, education that enlarges and disciplines the mind and makes it master of its own powers, irrespective of the particular business or profession one may follow.

Syn: Generous; bountiful; munificent; beneficent; ample; large; profuse; free.

Usage: Liberal, Generous. Liberal is freeborn, and generous is highborn. The former is opposed to the ordinary feelings of a servile state, and implies largeness of spirit in giving, judging, acting, etc. The latter expresses that nobleness of soul which is peculiarly appropriate to those of high rank, -- a spirit that goes out of self, and finds its enjoyment in consulting the feelings and happiness of others. Generosity is measured by the extent of the sacrifices it makes; liberality, by the warmth of feeling which it manifests.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.



liberal

\Lib"er*al\, n. One who favors greater freedom in political or religious matters; an opponent of the established systems; a reformer; in English politics, a member of the Liberal party, so called. Cf. Whig.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.



liberal

adj 1: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant of his opponent's opinions" [syn: broad, tolerant] 2: having political or social views favoring reform and progress 3: tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition [ant: conservative] 4: given or giving freely; "was a big tipper"; "the bounteous goodness of God"; "bountiful compliments"; "a freehanded host"; "a handsome allowance"; "Saturday's child is loving and giving"; "a liberal backer of the arts"; "a munificent gift"; "her fond and openhanded grandfather" [syn: big, bighearted, bounteous, bountiful, freehanded, handsome, giving, openhanded] 5: not literal; "a loose interpretation of what she had been told"; "a free translation of the poem" [syn: free, loose] n 1: a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties [syn: progressive] [ant: conservative] 2: a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets
Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

 

 


31 posted on 02/25/2002 10:51:59 AM PST by Khepera
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To: doc30; Jim Robinson
Hopefully, Jimrob & co. will disobey the anti-speech provisions of this law wherever and whenever applicable, as will hopefully ALL special interest groups and the media that deal with them.
32 posted on 02/25/2002 10:57:10 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: The Old Hoosier
It only affects BROADCAST advertising. Not internet or print ads or announcements of any other kind.

I hope all special interest groups collectively tell our overbearing federal government to f*** off if this bill becomes law.

33 posted on 02/25/2002 10:58:22 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Khepera
I'm just more conservative as I want our laws to reflect our Judeo-Christian Heritage.

Conservatism requires an embrace of either Christianity or Judaism?

I say conservative in the way it is defined in the dictionary as opposed to the conservative as in the minds of Libertarians which do not in any way fit the definition of Conservative.

I certainly don't consider myself a conservative.

I firmly believe the Liberals in this country are responsible for its soon coming downfall.

If by "liberal" you mean leftist and collectivist authoritarians (as the term has come to be understood), then I would agree (but would not limit the blame to "liberals").

We no longer have what we once did. We will exist in name only and may be there already.

Certainly I would agree that the republic is all but dead. But I recognize it's death as coming at the hands of big-government advocates and authoritarians of all stripes. While what you call "liberals" share a large portion of the blame for this... people calling themselves "conservative" have had a significant hand in the destruction of the republic as well.

34 posted on 02/25/2002 11:00:06 AM PST by OWK
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To: doc30;jimrob
Hit and run poster, 4th post in over a month.

Hardly someone really wanting info, seems more to harass. Am I off on this?

35 posted on 02/25/2002 11:00:15 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: OWK
calling themselves "conservative"

Indeed those who call themselves Conservative are no more so than those who call themselves oranges. The proof is in the pudding.

36 posted on 02/25/2002 11:04:29 AM PST by Khepera
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
On this?? No..on other things..maybe LOL

;-)

37 posted on 02/25/2002 11:04:52 AM PST by Neets
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
On this?? No..on other things..maybe LOL

;-)

38 posted on 02/25/2002 11:05:37 AM PST by Neets
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To: Khepera
I'm going to go have my heart attack now!

I don't think we can allow that under the Interstate Commmerce Clause.

39 posted on 02/25/2002 11:05:43 AM PST by Dakmar
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To: OneidaM
LOL! So good you had to tell me twice, eh? grrr :)
40 posted on 02/25/2002 11:09:08 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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