Why I Believe Predestination

myself | 2/18/01 | myself

[rwfromkansas]

If you read the totality of Scripture, you will realize my view is correct. Free willers only can show 2 or 3 passages to support their point....I have tons for mine. God has chosen an elect people who will come to faith in Christ. You seem to think that there are people who would choose God if given the choice. Frankly, this is not true. Unless God chose me, I would have refused to come. This is the same with every Christian. If God just left it up to free will, everyone would still be living in sin and loving the world.

[rwfromkansas]

God's command to do so. If you love him as a Christian, you will follow him and obey his commands to be upright. BTW, there is not a predestination to hell. It is just that by virtue of not being predestined to salvation, reprobates will continue in their sin.

[RightWhale]

bump for later.

[I was not predestined to bump this.]

[FReepaholic]

>>...I hope it has made you think...<<

It has. Thank you.

[rwfromkansas]

Oh for heaven's sake....again, because God finds the elect through the truth being preached. How easy is that to understand...it is VERY easy!

[rdb3]

No, God saves according to His desire, and in order to accomplish His good will. It is a miracle that He saves any, seeing as all deserve death and hell.

Amen!

You know, this thread demonstrates that mankind thinks that the triune Almighty God actually owes man something, and that man is a seriously vain creature.

You hit the nail squarely on the head, my friend. Since we all deserve death and hell, isn't it absolutely glorious of God that He chose to pay the price (a price in which the entirety of mankind could not pay collectively) to save just one? He could have condemned all of us to hell yet still remained Holy and Righteous. Yet we have some who thinks this evil of God that He predestines some to salvation while leaves others to damnation. They don't think it just for God to do so, and yet demand justice. Well, you and I know that once we stand before God, we do not truly want "justice," do we? For if we did, we'd want our place in the fiery lake. Therefore, let all who clamour for justice from God keep clamoring. They'll get it. Oh, yes they will.

[Jeremy_Bentham]

God's command to do so.

But if you are predestined to go to heaven, why is it necessary to follow God's commnd? Also, if you are predestined to go to heaven, then why do you have to become a Christian in the first place?

BTW, there is not a predestination to hell. It is just that by virtue of not being predestined to salvation, reprobates will continue in their sin.

So, they are predestined to hell, since they are not predestined to salvation.

[rdb3]

Well, I'll be! I just told you that the words, "...even puts people into governmental power!" did not come from me, yet you are attributing them to me.

I did not say this. Again, proofread, please.

[Senator Pardek]

You asked where the poster was wrong - and I pointed out to you where the poster is wrong.

I'll put about with bizarre mysticism, but I will not tolerate when one does not follow the storyline.

[f.Christian]

There is a Realatarian science---entry level Republicanism with a few advanced courses...I'm writing them now!

I'm having a hard time keeping the schisms-ologists-viruses out!

[Gamecock]

Something to make you go Hmmmm:

A quick search reveals the following:

number of times the word predestined is used in the Bible: 4
number of times the word elect is used in the Bible: 14
number of time the phrase free will is used: ZERO

[rdb3]

Well, thank you for proving me right. I did not say those words. You should have prefaced your remarks to me with the statement, "The poster is wrong when he says. . ." But you didn't.

The poster is correct, by the way.

[freepy smurf]

Hey, teenagers! Here's an easy test. Ask the most attractive, popular person in your class out for a date. If they say no, You're a loser. Drop out of school, get on welfare, and stay drunk until you die. Might as well commit some murders too, you're going to hell anyway.

[Senator Pardek]

Them I'm right also - there's no point in voting. Do you vote, and if so, why?

[rwfromkansas]

We don't know who is going to hell or not (who is predestined or not) until the end of time...so I would not be encouraging folks to sin if I were you.

[Cracker889]

God has already "seen" the end of all time. He created all things BY Jesus (The Word of God). Creation INCLUDES all of time. Can your "free will" recreate Gods creation? The concept of free will is not in the scriptures, ANYWHERE! The only reference is a "free will offering" which simply means an offering over and above what God commanded in the Levitical Priesthood.

[Cracker889]

God has already "seen" the end of all time. He created all things BY Jesus (The Word of God). Creation INCLUDES all of time. Can your "free will" recreate Gods creation? The concept of free will is not in the scriptures, ANYWHERE! The only reference is a "free will offering" which simply means an offering over and above what God commanded in the Levitical Priesthood.

[Pentagram]

Have you considered the possibility that both predestination and free will can be correct - from a different perspective?

[Cracker889]

God has already "seen" the end of all time. He created all things BY Jesus (The Word of God). Creation INCLUDES all of time. Can your "free will" recreate Gods creation? The concept of free will is not in the scriptures, ANYWHERE! The only reference is a "free will offering" which simply means an offering over and above what God commanded in the Levitical Priesthood.

[D-fendr]

If you discovered you didn't have free will, what would you decide to do about it?