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Terrorism Eyed (In) Mysterious Death
AP | 2/16/02 | ALLEN G. BREED

Posted on 02/16/2002 11:45:58 AM PST by kattracks

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To: McGavin999
I recall reading that they do have a record of licenses she processed and are investingating her handiwork for other possible instances of fraud.

These licenses were supposed to be "untraceable" (the names and addresses wouldn't match any real data associated with these men). They may know which IDs are "fake" but it may not offer them much security in apprehending these men (except for the photos).

21 posted on 02/16/2002 11:55:11 PM PST by weegee
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To: kattracks; JMJ333; aristeides
I'm wondering if the AP is trying to hide here. This article doesn't square with the others I've read.

I've noticed a switch in the time line to place the murder around 1AM. But news reports in the first few days place it 45 minutes earlier. Maybe the 1AM time just comes from the time that the FBI arrived on the scene. But could there be another reason to establish the murder as occuring 45 minutes later than it really happened?

But there are more significant differences. According to this story, she was 200 yards from the border, heading NW on 72. JMJ333 can tell us for sure, but that doesn't look on the map like the little country lane that the article implies.

The implication that the car was crawling doesn't fit, either. According to this article , the car had to cross a ditch to get to the pole. And this article mentions the pole was broken.

The AP claims that A witness rushed up and pulled open the car door, but the driver was not moving. She appeared to be already dead. Yet this article describes all the trouble the firemen had getting the blaze out. So how did the witness manage to open the car door?

22 posted on 02/17/2002 2:13:21 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: Lion's Cub
Oops. Should be: I'm wondering if the AP is trying to hide something here.
23 posted on 02/17/2002 2:15:54 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: Lion's Cub
BTTT!
24 posted on 02/17/2002 2:21:11 AM PST by Inge_CAV
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To: Dakmar;null and void;JMJ333;Brad's Gramma;Khepera
Ironically, I watched a news blurb last night about all the pro-jihad fund raisers that have been and continue to be hosted in our country. Tampa, Atlanta, Cleveland and Chicago were some of the cities mentioned.

IMO labels are nothing but a substitute for a non-existent argument, so folks can label me in whatever manner they feel necessary. My point is that we have an immigration system that is ineffective and totally unworkable. Based on our knowledge of the terrorist members, we must begin deportation proceedings yesterday and dedicate our law enforcement community to rooting out terrorist sects in our country.

After a new system has been developed, tested and put in place, people can begin applying for visas to our country.

I can't believe that there is any other country in the world that would turn a blind eye to those in that country who are trying to destroy the country from within.

25 posted on 02/17/2002 3:47:07 AM PST by EODGUY
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To: EODGUY
--you've pretty much described my personal reason for wanting to "end decades of abuse". Way too much weird crap goes on in the highest political/economic levels to assure me in any way that our various "leaders" elected or self elected in business are always 100% pure "patriotic". The opposite (generally speakig) seems more likely to me.. The obvious on purpose destruction of the middle class is the biggest clue, the next are all the under- and-falsely- reported and never really "solved completely" scandals that arise.
26 posted on 02/17/2002 5:07:20 AM PST by zog
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To: kattracks; JMJ333; aristeides; Inge_CAV
I just came across FBI checking 5 in illegal-license cases for possible al-Qaida links.

An off-duty Mississippi police officer driving in the opposite direction saw her back seat on fire at 12:45 a.m. Sunday. By the time he doubled back, she had veered off the road and tapped a utility pole before her car burst into a fireball.

I remembered something about FBI agent Nash testifying that there 6 unnamed witnesses (all related). When I checked the story here, I see Nash testified that those witnesses all said it happened about 12:45, too.

27 posted on 02/17/2002 5:49:32 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: Travis McGee; Grampa Dave; Clovis Skeptic
fyi
28 posted on 02/17/2002 5:55:35 AM PST by piasa
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To: EODGUY; Lion's cub
Memphis has a large Moslem community--including a branch of Nation of Islam. Maybe this is the way Smith is tied to the Suspects?

Ever seen Steven Emerson's Jihad in America?"

29 posted on 02/17/2002 6:44:56 AM PST by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
Ms. Smith's actions disgust me, regardless of her motivation, but I must admit people who are traitors and career military personnel truly boggle my mind.

I read recently that an USAF enlisted man was just exposed as a traitor.

I was held to a higher standard when I was in the military and I think that should be true today. I also believe that 99.9% of all active military personnel are our most patriotic citizens and deserve to be treated and paid as such.

30 posted on 02/17/2002 10:43:01 AM PST by EODGUY
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To: Husker24
The question is, did the sprinkler system in the WTC work on 9/11?

Or if these (possible) terrorists were hoping to make them spray something other
than water on 9-11.

Wouldn't it be a hoot to find out that these guys were part of a terrorist group,
totally separate from Al-Quida, that had intended to spray something like nerve
gas via the WTC sprinkler system...but 9-11 happened before they could carry out their mission?
31 posted on 02/17/2002 11:16:26 AM PST by VOA
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To: Lion's Cub
"An off-duty Mississippi police officer driving in the opposite direction saw her back seat on fire at 12:45 a.m. Sunday. By the time he doubled back, she had veered off the road and tapped a utility pole before her car burst into a fireball."

If anyone had thrown a flammable substance into the back seat of her vehicle while she was driving there is a good chance this officer would have noticed it.

32 posted on 02/17/2002 11:17:48 AM PST by Inge_CAV
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To: Inge_CAV
It was obviously set on fire with the victim in the driver's seat and rolled at such a low speeed that the murderer could jump safely out.
33 posted on 02/17/2002 11:23:10 AM PST by Registered
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To: Jihad in America
Cross-indexing.
34 posted on 02/17/2002 11:23:22 AM PST by denydenydeny
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To: Registered
That would be to difficult to do and keep from being seen by other motorists. This stretch of Hwy is rural but has lots of traffic.
35 posted on 02/17/2002 11:30:52 AM PST by Inge_CAV
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To: Registered
Many years ago I was stopped at a roadblock very near where this crash occurred. I had to pay a $10.00 fine in Cash, on the spot, to leave. You don't forget things like that or where it happened.

: )

36 posted on 02/17/2002 11:50:58 AM PST by Inge_CAV
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To: EODGUY; Lion's cub
Mourners remember the good deeds of license examiner, not how she died

By Clay Bailey
bailey@gomemphis.com

Mourners filled the Family Funeral Care chapel Saturday to talk about the good deeds and Christian life of Katherine Smith, balancing the publicity surrounding her fiery death last week and the charge that she sold fraudulent driver's licenses.

About 175 people created a standing-room-only arrangement in the chapel, at times swaying and singing along with hymns and testimonials.

"We're not here to remember how she died," said Rev. L. F. Self of Great Ebenezer Baptist Church. "She requested a lively funeral. . . . We came to remember how she lived."

Smith, a 49-year-old state driver's license examiner, was found burned to death in a 1992 Acura Legend after it veered off U.S. 72 in Fayette County in the early morning hours of Feb. 10. Authorities said she died from inhaling the flames from a fire started with the help of an accelerant.

There are questions about connections between her death and federal charges of fraudulently obtaining a Tennessee driver's license against her and five co-defendants. Smith was accused of conspiring to illegally provide licenses to the five men, some of whom were in the country illegally.

The six were arrested Feb. 5 at the testing center on Summer after the transaction. Smith, an examiner for nine years, was released on her own recognizance and was to appear in federal court the day after the discovery of her body alongside the highway.

Smith's family members declined to talk to the media Saturday either at the funeral home or burial at Memphis Memory Gardens. And there were few references to the matter during the 45-minute service.

"While others are speculating or wondering about what's in the background . . . I know how she lived," Self said. "She was a child of God."

Among those attending the service were a group of state driver's license examiners in their uniforms.

Mourners began arriving more than an hour before the 11 a.m. service in the chapel at 4925 Summer. There were hugs and well wishes to friends and family.

Near the start all the pews were full, and an extra room in the back of the chapel quickly turned into an overflow of people standing against the wall.

There were hymns and poems, Scripture readings and acknowledgments for the well wishes shown to the family.

While the mood at times was somber, there also were moments when it seemed like a celebration. A solo brought the crowd to a hand-waving, clapping display of joy with hallelujahs and amens added for verbal support.

Self, decked in a red sports coat, took swigs of bottled water and wiped his brow as he recalled how Smith helped take care of sick family members and her involvement in the church. He said when he preached a sermon several weeks ago about how this year should be better than 2001, he had no idea he would deal with Smith's death.

"Little did I know that in 2002, we were going to lose our best member," Self said. ". . . Little did I know we would lose a precious stone like (Smith). "There's so much speculation, so much mysticism and mystery surrounding the death of our sister, but there is no mystery of how she lived."

No mystery how she lived??? Best member? This stuff gets weirder by the day.

37 posted on 02/17/2002 3:11:41 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: Inge_CAV
It indeed must have been a long time ago, because Piperton has grown a lot in the last 10 years, just like Collierville. Everyone keeps moving farther and farther East trying to escape city taxes.
38 posted on 02/17/2002 3:13:56 PM PST by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
Yes, that happened several years ago and Collierville has really grown from the small town it was back then.
39 posted on 02/17/2002 3:34:49 PM PST by Inge_CAV
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