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License suspect had WTC repair pass, but Port Authority did its own work [Tennessee License Scandal]
GoMemphis.com ^ | February 16, 2002 | Bartholomew Sullivan

Posted on 02/15/2002 10:16:49 PM PST by Shermy

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To: AFVetGal
As the first tower fell one of the reporters on scene claimed she heard 2 small explosions. She only said it once and it was never replayed. Maybe these guys did a better job than we give them credit for.
21 posted on 02/16/2002 5:54:43 AM PST by steve50
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To: AFVetGal
Yup, looks like he was making sure that the sprinklers would not work in time.
22 posted on 02/16/2002 6:50:02 AM PST by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
I don't think sprinklers would have done much good...

From FDNY's Battalion Chief John J. Salka, Jr. "Initial Report on FDNY's Response to the World Trade Center Attacks":

When the first plane crashed the incident was already a "gigantic, once in a lifetime operation." However, the already enormous operation was instantly multiplied by the second plane attack and the ensuing collapse of each tower.

Massive fire was visible in the towers, burning throughout five-floor sections in some areas and in locations as far as 20 floors below the places of impact.

The fire came down with the collapses and created secondary fires all over the surrounding area in buildings and cars. The most involved was the 47-story building next to the WTC, of which 35 floors were on fire.

Because so many water mains had been destroyed, two fire boats were vital in pumping enough water from the Hudson River to supply the firefighting operations at Ground Zero.

23 posted on 02/16/2002 7:52:55 AM PST by Beach_Babe
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To: Shermy
Tennessee BTTT
24 posted on 02/16/2002 8:09:35 AM PST by Grammy
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To: Grammy
Bump.
25 posted on 02/16/2002 9:00:52 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: BJungNan
How about if we never created the stuff in the first place?

You've got a time machine?

26 posted on 02/16/2002 9:04:59 AM PST by null and void
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To: Shermy
BTTT!
27 posted on 02/16/2002 9:05:00 AM PST by Inge_CAV
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To: AFVetGal
Good question! Would fire suppression have cooled the steel girders enough to prevent a total collapse?

Since the scrap is being shipped to CHINA, I guess we'll never know, will we...

28 posted on 02/16/2002 9:10:40 AM PST by null and void
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To: Shermy; golitely; aristeides; Plummz
Excellent post, Shermy. Please add me to your ping list.
29 posted on 02/16/2002 9:18:23 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: null and void
Would fire suppression have cooled the steel girders enough to prevent a total collapse?

I'm not an engineer, so I don't really know. But I would think not since the fire burned so hot and so long. I'm just wondering (speculating) if the terrorists weren't taking any chances and disabled the sprinkler system to ensure maximum casualties.

30 posted on 02/16/2002 9:28:51 AM PST by Jen
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
"This is why I don't want that nuclear waste being moved."

Have you considered how vulnerable it is where it is -- in 130 (or more) separate storage facilities or waste pools?

31 posted on 02/16/2002 9:40:47 AM PST by okie01
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To: null and void
You've got a time machine?

Yep, sure do. It starts today. You have a pile of stuff no one wants. You move ahead when you stop adding to it. Tomorrow will soon be today.

32 posted on 02/16/2002 9:56:16 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan
All power production has resultant waste products. Nuclear power production does not produce all that much truly hazardous waste for the amount of power you get when compared to other forms of power production.

A large amount of "Nuclear Waste" is extremely low-level stuff that isn't a danger to anyone, but public preception of radiation dangers requires that special measures be taken in disposal.

Most of it could be washed, shredded, and recylced without danger. Technology is quickly providing us with more options for waste handling annd disposal.

33 posted on 02/16/2002 10:06:16 AM PST by El Sordo
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To: AFVetGal;snopercod;Travis McGee;brityank;joanie-f
R'3
34 posted on 02/16/2002 10:30:34 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: Jonx6
Bump R'3
35 posted on 02/16/2002 10:36:04 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: okie01
"Have you considered how vulnerable it is where it is -- in 130 (or more) separate storage facilities or waste pools?"

Better to guard 130 sites than think we have the extra resources to guard 10,000 plus truck shipments.
36 posted on 02/16/2002 10:39:10 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
OTOH, the waste does not get moved all at once. You would have only a few trucks moving at any given time.

We've been moving nuclear materials for a long time, whether they be fuels, medical materials, waste, or the weapons grade flavor. Nuclear material transportation is pretty well thought out and executed. You would not believe what goes into moving the weapons grade stuff. A small (and well equipped) army would have trouble getting their hands on one of those shipments (yes, this is beside the point as we are talking about waste materials..).

On a personal level I am more concerned that the "out of sight, out of mind" mentality often associated with burying it all away will prevent us from being able to better process our existing wastes into a more stable and safe form.

37 posted on 02/16/2002 11:01:54 AM PST by El Sordo
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
"Better to guard 130 sites than think we have the extra resources to guard 10,000 plus truck shipments."

Move them by rail.

Fewer movements, safer routings.

38 posted on 02/16/2002 11:13:02 AM PST by okie01
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To: Fred Mertz
Hidden explosive devices is the obvious thought. Would homing beacons have been of any assistance to the hijacker pilots aiming for the towers?

The '93 WTC bombers allegedly added cyanide to their explosives, but it burned up in the explosion and did not poison anyone. I wonder why they didn't use poison gas on 9/11.

39 posted on 02/16/2002 11:34:50 AM PST by aristeides
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To: ladyinred;chadsworth;grampa_dave
bump
40 posted on 02/16/2002 11:41:35 AM PST by Clovis_Skeptic
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