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To: golitely
Post #60 is not, I repeat, NOT a news article, read it yourself. The reports by the discjockey are unfounded allegations.

Since you want to bring up my defense of Elian, I will point out to you that during the Elian controversy, I was busy fighting off the rumours and the out and out lies made up about the case by the media, and those people who wanted Elian returned to Cuba. I am doing now the same thing that I was doing then, pointing out the lies and misinformation that people spread.

I didn't need to speculate on the Clintons, and the backroom deals, I had facts to back my statements, and I posted them as proof.

I have taken the time to read the newspaper articles linked on this thread, as well as many more, not one offers a shred of evidence that supports the "swingers" revelation, not a single one. No one has come forward and claimed that they have first person testimony.

There is one more difference that you failed to see.

When one speculated about the President of the US, one is speculating about a public figure. Tp speculate that Mr. van Dam may have been having sex with his daughter, and that being the cause of death (read it it's posted right on thi thread.), that's just nasty, and uncalled for, and I find that sort of behavior offensive.

"Liar is an ugly word, and not necessarily true in this instance..."

I use that word to describe people who misrepresent what I say, or simply attribute things to me that I never said.

Find any one of the instances where I have called someone a liar, and I specifically point out the nature of their lie.

"people who will win this debate will be the ones who speculated most correctly about what really happened"

Win? There is a little girl missing out there!! I don't give a damn about wining this debate!!

I do want facts sent out to the public, facts that may help find Danielle, and her abductor!

But since you brought up the subject: "As it happens, you and some others are speculating that there is nothing wrong with the parents' lifestyle and that it had nothing whatever to do with the child's disappearance. "The lead investigator in the caswe has released a statement in which he infoms us that the people who were present in the house Friday and Saturady night have been cleared of any suspicion.

you should really read the artcles posted, and ignore the rumours.

872 posted on 02/14/2002 8:20:39 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"I had facts to back my statements, and I posted them as proof."

Oh, really? Documented facts? Or just what you heard from someone close to the case? It's been awhile, so my memory might be wrong, but I seem to recall that it was mostly the latter. (I am sure you will correct me if I'm wrong, but if you do, please post the source.) And you were right, I might add. But I don't recall seeing the documens posted.

As for calling someone a liar--the civil thing to do is give someone the benefit of the doubt--people can be mistaken about many things, and it might not be an intentional lie. There are far better ways of handling it than resorting to name-calling. Usually, name-calling is a sure-fire indicator that someone has run out of debating points, and that's their last ditch effort to win the debate.

And how very compassionate of you to notice that a little girl's life is at stake while people worry about winning a debate. Yet, I don't exactly see you throwing in your hat. Perhaps I'll doubt your sincerity less once you do.

874 posted on 02/14/2002 8:46:10 AM PST by MizSterious
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