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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
He simply does not believe in beating people with a stick to persuade them

I don’t promote this idea either (You now bear false witness against me) and your opinion of me bearing false witness was presented referencing the following.

If he is such a fine parent then he should be more concerned that the conduct he is in fact promoting on this website is detrimental not only to society but to his children who will have to live in that society. OWK does not promote homosexual conduct.

This is in fact true and not false. OWK through his comments does promote the Sodomite lifestyle by fighting for their cause like it or not.

I also said that I thought the Presbyterians condoned Homosexuality.

In this area I was incorrect, I have found, and apologize for my misunderstanding. It was merely my mistake as I thought wrong.

The Bible does mention folks who are apologists of perverted lifestyles as being no better than those who live these lifestyles. OWK promotes governmental approval of this lifestyle since he promotes the abolishment of the Sodomy Laws. This is my witness.

OWK is standing up for rights that do not exist in our constitution (The right to be publicly perverted) and are similar to the rights some people believe that they have to kill their unborn children. Simply because they believe they have these rights does not make it so and does not absolve them of murder. Unfortunately their perverted views are shared with many people who profess to be Christians. The Bible mentions that there are many so called Christians who are not and will not inherit the kingdom of God. Only God will decide who these people are in the end but I still have the right to express my opinion on their status. This is my witness.

108 posted on 02/06/2002 10:30:12 AM PST by Khepera
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To: Khepera
I don’t promote this idea either (You now bear false witness against me) and your opinion of me bearing false witness was presented referencing the following.

You have advocated imprisonment of individuals for the "crime" of consenting adult homsexuality, on several occasions, have you not?

109 posted on 02/06/2002 10:40:51 AM PST by OWK
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Oops! Wrong link! I did a search and here is the correct link:

The Pink Swastika on line

110 posted on 02/06/2002 10:42:00 AM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: Khepera
OWK is standing up for rights that do not exist in our constitution....

Surely you are not so profound a dullard as to believe that only those things specified in the Bill of Rights, are rights.....

Are you?

Even the Bill of Rights tells you otherwise.

Have you ever even read it?

111 posted on 02/06/2002 10:42:30 AM PST by OWK
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To: Khepera
OWK through his comments does promote the Sodomite lifestyle by fighting for their cause like it or not.

Is my recognition of the right of consenting adults to consume alcohol, a promotion of drinking?

Is there anything but sawdust in that head?

113 posted on 02/06/2002 10:44:13 AM PST by OWK
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To: Khepera, OWK
Wanna know something funny about Khepera? Both he and his wife ran for public office.... As Libertarians. 106 posted on 2/6/02 11:25 AM Pacific by OWK

Funky.

He simply does not believe in beating people with a stick to persuade them ~~ I don’t promote this idea either (You now bear false witness against me)

Like heck I am "bearing false witness against you". I said NOTHING about your politics; I made a comment about OWK's politics (i.e., he is opposed to State Force on these matters). I did not attack you; I defended OWK.

If my "beating people with a stick" comment happened to touch a nerve (guilty conscience?), attend to that yourself. I never said you were in favor of such a thing; I merely said that OWK was opposed to such a thing.

In short, you are merely stiffening your neck against the Repentance which the Law of God demands of you, by attempting to "spread the guilt around".

But I bore no False Witness, Khepera. You did.

OWK does not promote homosexual conduct. ~~ This is in fact true and not false.

Exactly Right.

OWK through his comments does promote the Sodomite lifestyle by fighting for their cause like it or not.

No, you had it right just a second ago. It is TRUE, and not false, that OWK does not promote homosexual conduct.

In fact, he further opposes "special rights" for homosexuals;
he wants to de-fund their US-government supported homoerotic "Art" shows;
and he wants to abolish the Public Schools and State Colleges where they propagate their views, and "recruit" impressionable youths.

Why, exactly, were you opposed to OWK again? Do you support these things that OWK is trying to abolish??

I also said that I thought the Presbyterians condoned Homosexuality. In this area I was incorrect, I have found, and apologize for my misunderstanding. It was merely my mistake as I thought wrong.

'S Okay. There's "presbyterians", and then there's Presbyterians. The "mainline" Presbyterian Church of the USA (PCUSA) has "flirted" with the ordination of homosexual presbyters (pardon the repugnant pun).

The ORTHODOX Presbyterian Church (OPC), however, does not even ordain women or divorced men, and does not accept homosexuals as communicant members. (though of course they are welcome to come and listen in our pews, if they are quiet and well-behaved; and should they feel moved by the Spirit to repent and confess Christ, they are then welcome to join the Church)

The Bible does mention folks who are apologists of perverted lifestyles as being no better than those who live these lifestyles. OWK promotes governmental approval of this lifestyle since he promotes the abolishment of the Sodomy Laws. This is my witness.

Absence of Law does not indicate approval of behavior.
The government does not have a Law against my brother poking a sharp stick in his eye, but if my brother asked my opinion of the act, I would tell him that I strongly disapproved.

HOWEVER, if Government had a "Anti-Sharp-Stick-In-Your-Own-Eye" Law, I would oppose it. Not because I want people poking sharp sticks in their eyes, but because it's not THE STATE'S job to try and prevent/punish such acts.

OWK is standing up for rights that do not exist in our constitution (The right to be publicly perverted) and are similar to the rights some people believe that they have to kill their unborn children. Simply because they believe they have these rights does not make it so and does not absolve them of murder. Unfortunately their perverted views are shared with many people who profess to be Christians. The Bible mentions that there are many so called Christians who are not and will not inherit the kingdom of God. Only God will decide who these people are in the end but I still have the right to express my opinion on their status. This is my witness.

Amongst the folks who will not inherit the Kingdom of God, are Idolaters.

Statism is Idolatry.

Examine your premises.

115 posted on 02/06/2002 10:52:57 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: Khepera
OWK is standing up for rights that do not exist in our constitution...

The Constitution is not the origin of rights. The Constitution is a delegation of power.

126 posted on 02/06/2002 11:14:46 AM PST by Alan Chapman
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