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This is another excellent look at the real JFK. Amazing how his abandonment of our troops at the Bay of Pigs has gone unnoticed by our so-called "historians."
1 posted on 02/05/2002 9:00:05 AM PST by Angelique
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To: gg188
Since you taught me the truth about the Bay of Pigs, somewhat disconcerting for a person who started university as a history major, I thought you would appreciate this article.
2 posted on 02/05/2002 9:04:22 AM PST by Angelique
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To: Angelique
JFK's dead and buried. He's the least of my worries at the present time.
3 posted on 02/05/2002 9:30:22 AM PST by zbogwan2
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To: Angelique
"And the only basic issue in the 1960 campaign is whether our government will fall in a conservative rut and die there, or whether we will move ahead in the liberal spirit of daring, of breaking new ground, of doing in our generation what Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson did in their time of influence and responsibility."

What did these men do?

Wilson - WW1 and the failure of the league of nations
FDR - Depened the Great Depression, knew in advance the attack of Pearl Harbor and allowed the butchering to happen, not to mention destroying the constitution with his failed socialist programs.
Truman - Korean War and escalation of the Cold War.
Stevenson - Well he is the only Democrap I will ever respect....because he lost and never tasted power!

End analysis, all Democraps are failures who need liberal historians to make them into something that they never were or could be....when they aren't stealing other peoples quotations from other writings....ask Doris!

4 posted on 02/05/2002 9:46:57 AM PST by Bommer
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To: Angelique
Re: "Ask not..." JFK felt free to lift that line from the headmaster of Choate who in his opening day speech always said "Ask not what your school can do for you, ask what you can do for your school."

Just a bit of trivia...

5 posted on 02/05/2002 9:57:28 AM PST by GoodyBrown
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To: backhoe
I think you will find this article of interest. Recalling all your links about the real history of the FDR admin, I was thinking maybe we could have a category about rewriting history or historical truths....
17 posted on 02/05/2002 11:11:08 AM PST by Angelique
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To: Angelique
H.W. Brands has a new book out, "The Strange Death of American Liberalism." He says liberalism was tied to the Cold War and declined with its end. Brand's view is an extension of Robert Higgs' view in "Crisis and Leviathan": war makes the state grow.

The line of Kennedy's day went, "How can we beat the Russians if we still have poverty, segregation, poor roads and schools, etc." Many were convinced at the time.

Higgs has an interesting argument, but I don't entirely buy it. There were liberals like Woodrow Wilson before the Cold War. Reagan was a great Cold Warrior but no liberal. Europe saw its welfare state increase most after national defense concerns became less important. But Brands does suggest that another war could bring back liberalism and statism. I don't know if he put that in after 911 or he was a prophet.

Liberalism had a lot to do with the prospect of vast reserves of wealth that could be tapped by government. Liberal policies sop up that surplus very quickly and when those reserves are gone, liberalism declines. It's a bit like that in non-material terms, abstemious and self-denying behavior creates a secure environment. People born into that environment want to experiment and experience and tear down old institutions and remake society. When the damage is done, social and cultural liberalism recedes.

The problem for the future is that the government now, like those during previous wars, will make a lot of claims and promises that liberals will feel we have to make good on. Patriotism is a great thing, but as in JFK's day or Wilson's or FDR's, it does tend to bring some support for government interventionism in its wake, because when we sign on to win the war, liberals will always claim that we put our signature on other promises.

19 posted on 02/05/2002 11:32:55 AM PST by x
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To: Angelique
It's simple: If you're a Democrat, photogenic, politically connected, morally unscrupulous, and you get your brains splattered all over the back of a limousine in Dallas, you're a hero. It doesn't matter that you practically dragged the country into Armageddon, left soldiers to die on the beach, or set us up for a fall in Vietnam.
25 posted on 02/05/2002 12:21:50 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Angelique
Do you mean like the "historian" who plagiarized(it was only footnotes)Doris?
35 posted on 02/05/2002 3:26:23 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Angelique
"Ask not what you can do for your country -- Ask what we can do together to insure individual Liberty"

Maybe we could try Lloyd's of London...

This is where I stop reading.

49 posted on 02/05/2002 5:07:58 PM PST by Yeti
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To: Angelique
At least no one can accuse him of being Gay.

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At least not for a while anyway.

69 posted on 02/05/2002 7:23:49 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Angelique
I will share a JFK experience with you. As I recall, I was in 4th grade when JFK was assassinated. I lived in a small town in southern Georgia. Our teacher came to our room in tears and told us that JFK has just been shot in Dallas and was dead. The whole room broke out into loud cheers. The teacher looked shocked. School was dismissed early.

I remember us riding our bikes toward home hollering, "Yea, Old Kennedy is dead!" In those parts Kennedy was not liked in the least. Of course when we reached home and our parents heard us cheering, they stopped us and told us that it was not appropriate to be happy when someone got killed, even if it was someone as bad as Kennedy.

I have never heard anyone else relate a tale like this. All us kids knew was that our parents hated him and reviled him loudly. I remember hushing up because I didn't want a spanking but it seemed hypocritical at the time. It took a while to understand. some oral history from parsy.

78 posted on 02/05/2002 8:02:50 PM PST by parsifal
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To: Angelique
The Kennedy myth is just that: a drop of reality cementing together a fabric of lies. In his three-plus years as president, Kennedy had one big success and one big failure: the Missile Crisis and the Bay of Pigs. Other than that, he accomplished exactly diddly, except to meddle in "civil rights," which was mostly the purview of his overly ambitious but morally bankrupt brother, and which became defacto gospel after the elder's martyrdom.

In truth, Kennedy didn't do bupkus, and he led the charge toward immorality in the White House, a socialist answer to every problem, and the creation of a New Aristocracy in a supposedly classless society. If he's the best the Democrats have to claim, they are indeed a sorry, desperate lot.

135 posted on 02/07/2002 5:58:14 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Angelique
There are a few things that I would like to know about the JFK administration, one which I have never been able to discover, and that is: Just what happened to make Premier K pull the missiles out of Cuba? How close were we to T=0, and, as some have suggested, was the shipment (and removal) of noticible missiles to Cuba just a dumb show, to cover the installation of other, less detectable missiles, which, for all I know could still be in place (albeit now mostly stripped, and used to repair cars ;-)

Having lived through the crisis, I remember thinking to myself "This is IT", what we had been preparing for for years, then, nothing.

The funny thing was, on the weekend after JFK was assasinated, I happened to be out at the range (I had a beautiful 1903A3 Springfield at that time, wish I had never sold it). Someone produced a Carcano, and everyone tried to get 3 shots in (at 100 yards) in the time frame that all the news channels were talking about. Nobody REALLY succeeded, so we figured that was BS from the start. We were all chipping in to purchase ammunition, and making runs to a sporting goods store that actually had some in stock. After a while, someone felt that it was somehow disrespectful to be doing this, and closed the range down, I believe, for 3 days.

Since nobody from my generation forgets where they were when JFK was shot, the memory of the day after is sharp as well. The memory of going out to the range, with an almost continuous downpour of rain,that Saturday morning, trying to get 3 shots out, with an unfamiliar firearm (at that time) with someone timing sticks with me to this day (I was 17 at the time).

After all these years, and with a lot of reading, the whole picture of the JFK administration looks a lot different than we remember. It is scary, to realize that most of the socialist policies and leftist tendencies in government today, got their start during JFK's watch. What is remembered is the ABSOLUTE SILENCE after High School was dismissed and the respect in which he was held. What is true is that, when all is said and done, if JFK hadn't happened, we wouldn't have the liberal problem we do today.

Keep the Faith for Freedom

MAY GOD BLESS AND PROTECT THIS HONORABLE REPUBLIC

Greg

136 posted on 02/07/2002 6:17:58 PM PST by gwmoore
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