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To: A.J.Armitage

And again, you've managed to claim that the general welfare clause has no value.

According to you, everything must be enumerated. The "common defense" clause is meaningless, only a standing army (2 years) and navy are legal. In your view, we can't have an air force, satellites, or national missile defense because the phrase "common defense" doesn't cover them and they aren't enumerated.

That's simply wrong.

Just as the common defense clause authorizes unenumerated items such as national missile defense, so to does the general welfare clause authorize unenumerated government programs.

358 posted on 02/01/2002 9:49:36 PM PST by Southack
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To: Southack
And again, you've managed to claim that the general welfare clause has no value.

I never said that. I mere pointed out what value and meaning it does have.

And it's not a clause. It's a part of the lay and collect taxes clause, as simply quoting it in full proves to any reasonable person.

According to you, everything must be enumerated. The "common defense" clause is meaningless, only a standing army (2 years) and navy are legal. In your view, we can't have an air force, satellites, or national missile defense because the phrase "common defense" doesn't cover them and they aren't enumerated.

Those are, I think, considered to be "covered" by the army as used there (after all, it included the cavalry), even though they're separated for command purposes. If it really bothers you, you can start a petition drive to get an amendment passed.

That's simply wrong.

It's also not what I said.

Just as the common defense clause authorizes unenumerated items such as national missile defense, so to does the general welfare clause authorize unenumerated government programs.

Then why include an enumeration that can only confuse? And why call the "real" meaning absurd?

Or maybe they didn't even know the real meaning. We had to wait around for geniuses like you to point out that they wrote an incoherent document and didn't even know what ordinary English words mean. Goodness. How did we ever get started as a nation with such dunces for leaders? If they were that stupid, it's a wonder George Washington didn't say "retreat" when he meant "charge".

361 posted on 02/01/2002 10:24:02 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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