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Posted on 01/28/2002 2:05:28 PM PST by John Jorsett
KOGO AM 600 talk show host Roger Hedgecock has just broken the story that the INS has arrested ten illegal aliens (he gave the nationalities, but I can't recall any other than Honduras) at the Point Loma nuclear submarine base in San Diego. The aliens were employed by a contractor and were engaged in the sandblasting and painting of a nuclear submarine! 5 of the aliens had obtained base clearances, and 5 had not. Some aliens fled at the approach of the INS, causing the lockdown of the base. 2 were later apprehended when their hiding place was located. When the INS refused to comment, the KOGO news staff requested the name of the FBI agent in charge of Homeland Security for the San Diego area. They were told that there was none.
May I kindly raise a plain common sense objection?
If the non-citizen isn't carrying the ID, and merely says "I am a citizen," doesn't that kind of negate the idea of having any ID to begin with?
Procedures at a USAF base I retired from and go onto a regular basis, to the Commissary, Clinic, Library, etc, are EVERYONE in the vehicle is checked. Most of the contractors, deliverly, etc is pulled over and their vehicle is searched. I.D's required.
I should note for the record that the Ballast Point facility on Point Loma, which is where these guys were found, is home to nuclear attack subs, and not boomers.
I've read recently about implanted and external micro-chips for ill patients and house arrest convicts which tracks by GPS. Technology is also on the verge of micro-processors that fit on the head of a pin. It appears the ability to locate a smart card via GPS is just around the corner. This is where I draw my line in the sand...I will never carry such an abomination.
Agree wholeheartly about the illegal alien situation.
Perhaps there would have been more outrage -- and more interest by the FBI and CIA -- if the aliens were from China, North Korea, Iraq, Pakistan, Russia, or other countries developing nuclear weapons (or with submarines) and trying to spy on us. (Or, at least, more adversarial countries.)
Question: are you willing to carry some form of identification that establishes your citizenship at all times? I don't mean a driver's license, I'm talking some heavy-duty smart-card technology, coupled with a national database of all identified persons.If the answer is "no," then you're not serious about solving the illegal alien issue.
You're kidding, right? I mean, we've got millions of known illegals, and your "solution" is to tag the rest of us?
That's like straining at a gnat, and swallowing a camel -- except that you swallow the gnat too!
Get back with us vis-a-vis your "papers, please" brand of fix after we've prosecuted and/or deported the millions of known illegals.
Have you no sense of proportion whatsoever?
Further Info:
Congressman Duncan Hunter has just appeared on the Hedgecock show (his district is in the San Diego area) and announced that he's coming to San Diego and will be meeting with officials at 5:30 pm Pacific tomorrow to get answers. He will be asking if there are security procedures in place and the illegals somehow got through, or if there's simply no procedures in effect at all.
The Navy has called back to the KOGO people and said that the illegals were working on a drydock 'near' a submarine, but not 'on' the submarine. They were employed by a company named Coastal Coatings.
Nonsense. We don't have to accept totalitarianism to stop illegal aliens. That is a false and UNNECESSARY choice.
When I want to keep dogs and coyotes away from my chickens, I PUT UP A FENCE.
Or what? Gonna run her in, Officer Grumbley?
We certainly are the demanding one today, aren't we, Mr. Pooh.
Poohbah wrote: May I kindly raise a plain common sense objection?
If the non-citizen isn't carrying the ID, and merely says "I am a citizen," doesn't that kind of negate the idea of having any ID to begin with?
Noncitizens are already supposed to carry their passports and travel documents at all times. (Permanent residents only have to carry their green cards.) Violators may be fined or detained. Other countries require the same for their tourists.
I agree with your objection that the policy is stupid because anyone can claim to be a US citizen without proof, and illegal aliens of course will not carry documents to prove that they are here illegally.
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