[Doctor Stochastic]

Do you suggest we outbid the Democrats? That's about the only valid conversion tool I can see.

Are your values so weak that you can't sell others on them? I don't think so. Those who are seriously interested in converting people just have to work harder. It's a personal thing.

[DoughtyOne]

Look, you can't win people with arguements of smaller government is better when they're hungry, and the other side promises food stamps. You can't tell them that it's wrong to cut the military when somebody else offers to help them put a roof over their head if they'll vote for them. You can't explain that invasion of privacy is more important than free healthcare. I appreciate your arguement, but our arugements stand the test when all else is equal. Not being equal the periferal issues will win over solid government every time. That's why I've tried to point out that allowing poverty stricken people to flood our nation was a very bad idea.