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To: Demidog
I also assume that your refusal to show that their opinions are false are either because there is no support in the Talmud or Torah for this or you are simply wanting me and others to trust you on faith.

I don't see why you insist on Talmud or Torah support for or against your post. It should be clear to a thinking person that there were arguements for both the "religious conservative" Jews position which you cited and the Zionist position. But don't think that the Zionists went for their position with a bloodlust. They asked for the support of the UN and got it. The religion of the Jews has ample room for discussion and disagreement. This is what Talmudic scholarship is about. That so many could take a position that resulted in death, (and results in death today) is of interest. But more of interest to philosophers don't you think? I believe that the Jews have been seeking a just response to war from the day they declared their statehood. There were reasons for forming that state then, and they persist today. To seek a "lasting Middle East Peace" one must do more to address today than to look into the past and ask what might have been. This is what Islam is doing today, offering peace if a hundered years of western culture would be pulled from "their" lands. It is a worthy experiment that they propose, but only that. Real life is played outside the laboratory.

93 posted on 01/20/2002 11:48:23 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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To: KC_for_Freedom
I don't see why you insist on Talmud or Torah support for or against your post.

Because it is the premise of the speech.

97 posted on 01/20/2002 11:51:37 AM PST by Demidog
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