[Unbeliever]

Webster's Unabridged won't help someone who can't make sense of the words when they are put together in a sentence and /or who thinks of himself as the infallible oracle of the Lord.

Don't shovel this baloney at me, I posted catechism 869 without comment and you threw a fit about it because you know what it clearly says.

869. "The Church is apostolic. She is built on a lasting foundation: 'the twelve APOSTLES of the Lamb' [Rev 21:14.]. She is indestructible (cf. Mt 16:18). She is upheld infallibly in the truth: Christ governs her through Peter and the other APOSTLES, who are PRESENT in their successors, the Pope and the college of bishops."

And? Your point? Do you really think that we believe that John Paul II is possessed by the spirit of Peter? Then you are nuts.

[RobbyS]

Talk about baloney. It would be interesting to read what you think it means, since you seem to lack any understanding of what we mean by Church.