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Idolotry is the worship of false Gods. You identify this with the making of images, even images of Christ. Even Jews did not refrain entirely from the making of images, and the early Christians decorated tombs with religious images, even images of Christ. Only Christians who were trying to justify themselves to Jews or ,like the Emperor Leo the Isaurian, to Muslims) would worry about images in churches.
438 posted on 01/23/2002 8:48:39 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS
Idolotry is the worship of false Gods. You identify this with the making of images, even images of Christ. Even Jews did not refrain entirely from the making of images, and the early Christians decorated tombs with religious images, even images of Christ. Only Christians who were trying to justify themselves to Jews or ,like the Emperor Leo the Isaurian, to Muslims) would worry about images in churches.

EXODUS 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:
EXODUS 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;

No, God did not ban art work, the difference between a statue and an idol is in how it used and treated. When someone is bowing down to them and praying to them as J2P2 is CLEARLY doing in the pictures in post 426 that is clearly idolatry.

2131 Basing itself on the mystery of the incarnate Word, the seventh ecumenical council at Nicaea (787) justified against the iconoclasts the veneration of icons - of Christ, but also of the Mother of God, the angels, and all the saints. By becoming incarnate, the Son of God introduced a new "economy" of images.

It took rome 7 and a half centuries to openly officialize idolatry, why is there nothing in the Bible that gives any information concerning this alleged "new economy" of images? As a matter of fact Paul was nearly murdered in Ephesus by the idol makers because they realized the spread of the Gospel meant the end of their livelyhood.

2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it." The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone:

Your catechism clearly indicates the purpose is to create a spiritual connection, i.e. idolatry as well as in terms of Mary or other "saints" necromancy which is also forbidden.

869. "The Church is apostolic. She is built on a lasting foundation: 'the twelve APOSTLES of the Lamb' [Rev 21:14.]. She is indestructible (cf. Mt 16:18). She is upheld infallibly in the truth: Christ governs her through Peter and the other APOSTLES, who are PRESENT in their successors, the Pope and the college of bishops."

ACTS 16:16 ¶ And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
ACTS 16:17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.
ACTS 16:18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

2141 The veneration of sacred images is based on the mystery of the Incarnation of the Word of God. It is not contrary to the first commandment.

No matter how often a false doctrine is repeated it is STILL false.

447 posted on 01/24/2002 7:11:28 AM PST by Unbeliever
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