Was Richard Reid 'Shoe Bomber No. 2'?

WorldNetDaily ^ | 1/17/02 | Debkafile

[mrustow]

For a more thorough discussion of Flight 587, see:

Did a Bomb Take Down Flight 587?

[Burn24]

I was born in Manhattan several uh, years ago.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Yes, an Arab could easily pass for a Carribean hispanic.

[copycat]

Go look at the passenger list.

Where is the passenger list?

[gohabsgo]

and your point is? we're talking about an a-hole who had wires coming out of his Nike's, and was tackled and pummeled by alert passengers. Nobody said anything about the reported fact and the photographic evidence that he is of Arab extraction. But now that you have brought it up, and least we know you can assigned enlarged and color letters. How did you do that? Seriously, I don't know how to do it.

[Burn24]

Careful, I made that mistake and Leroy almost blinded me. Reid was apparently English-Jamaican.

[Salvation]

American Airlines Flight 587 was brought down 40 days earlier over Queens, N.Y., by Shoe Bomber No. 1.

I know that they said 587 came down with tail problems, but I just never bought it. I bet it was connected to the terrorists.

[copycat]

I think we have a winner...

Jet "exploded into pieces"
Feds Downplay Flt. 587 Explosion Reports

Breakup of Airliner is captured on security film.
Flight 587 Video Shows "Puff of Smoke" in Sky
FBI Sitting on Flt. 587 Videotape

Accident Theories Falling Like Dominoes (a collection of trial balloons)
Air Turbulence May Be Factor in Jetline Crash, Officials Say
Sabotage Explains Fight 587 Crash, Expert Says

JetBlue Pilot Saw American Airlines Crash
Flt. 587 Eyewitnesses insist Expolsion Came Before Tail Broke Off

[ALOHA RONNIE]

...TWA Flight 800 =

...Downed the very night before HILLARY was to be named by CRAIG LIVINGSTONE in Senate Testimony ON NATIONAL TV as the one who hired him to get her 900+ FBI Files on Repubicans in Congress UNDER OATH or to be seen by all of America .."Pleading the 5th".. to protect her instead, only to have that Hearing suddenly postponed by the Air Crash for weeks, away from National TV.

...Air France CONCORDE =

...Downed just 4 hours before BUSH was to announce a great Vote-Getter DICK CHENEY as his VP Running Mate on National TV thus spliting the TV Limelight away from BUSH/CHENEY

...USS COLE =

...Failed attempt to ..'SINK THE COLE'.. the night before Candidate GORE was scheduled to lose his 2nd Consecutive Presidential Debate on National TV that was nearly cancelled by Host National League of Women Voters due to this Terrorist Attack

...MISSOURI GOVERNOR's Private Plane =

...Downed the very night before Candidate AL GORE was scheduled to lose his 3rd Consecutive Presidential Debate on National TV ...in St. Louis, MISSOURI.. that was nearly cancelled by Host National League of Women Voters due to this sudden Air Crash near ..St. Louis, MISSOURI..

4-The 1st Commandment of CLINTONISM is still...

..'It's the TV, Stupid, no matter WHO pays for it'..

BIG TIME.

[jwalsh07]

And a muslim whackjob. So if the shoe bomb theorists come up with a muslim with a one way ticket to Santo Domingo and no checked luggage on the manifest, give me a ping.

[mrustow]

2. Why did most of the witnesses definitively state that the tail separated first? And, if a wing came off first, why wasn't it located further upstream, ahead of the tail?

I've read quite a bit of eyewitness reports re 587, and the issue they haggled over was whether the airliner was on fire before it went down. I've not seen any reports of eyewitnesses discussing whether the wing or the tail fell off first. If you have seen reports stating otherwise, I'd love to see them.

3. Why would a shoe bomber light his fuse immediately after takeoff? Why would he not wait until the plane was out of sight and over open water, so there was no risk that the stunt would be detected?

Since the stunt wasn't detected, your rhetorical question is beside the point. But there's a very good reason why the bomber would light the fuse within two minutes of takeoff: to kill as many people as possible on the ground. Had the bomber waited an additional thirty seconds, the plane would have been over the Atlantic Ocean. On the other hand, a bomber would not have a single reason for blowing up a plane over the ocean.

[archy]

1. When was the last time DEBKA got something right? This was the source that had U.S. Marines training under desert conditions near Scranton, PA in preparation for battle in Afghanistan

You mean in the former PA coal mine where the MEU-SOC guys practice using IR and other night vision equipment in no-strarlight conditions, as might be expected to be found in Afghani caves?

It's actually closer to Pittsburgh, not too far from Robert Morris University.

-archy-/-

[copycat]

The following passengers deviate from the norm...

Ilan Vaserman, Israel

Ashot Melikjanian, United States

Sylvie Greleau, Great Britain

[copycat]

3. Why would a shoe bomber light his fuse immediately after takeoff? Why would he not wait until the plane was out of sight and over open water...

?To land on Americans...

[archy]

3. Why would a shoe bomber light his fuse immediately after takeoff? Why would he not wait until the plane was out of sight and over open water, so there was no risk that the stunt would be detected?

Wasn't the Irish/New York Firefighter who offered his thoughts to Osama at the NY rally for cops and firefighters when he said… "Osama Bin Laden, I have a message for you. You can kiss my royal Irish American Ass," from Queens? And where did Flight 587 go down?

Perhaps the idea was to do so with the Airbus.

-archy-/-

[Native American Female Vet]

After all this time I should know to just flag you when I have a research question :)

[copycat]

It crashed right after take off, wouldn't someone demanding they need to go to the bathroom as the plane is taking off be extremely suspicious?

Why didn't the wing fail off first?

The shoe bomb had to detonate near the right wing...the right wing could have "folded back" along the fuselage without dislodging. The plane would "fishtail", snapping off the tail from side winds at hundreds of mph.

[realpatriot]

Here is his HTML:

<FONT color=red size=16> <CENTER>Richard Reid was part English and part Jamaican. NOT ARAB.</CENTER></FONT><BR clear=all>

[hove]

I think Debka nailed it this time! This would explain the explosion seen by the wing by several witnesses. Now.....why would OUR government be hell bent on keeping this information from US if true? Any ideas?