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Performing a Historectomy on America
newsmax.com ^ | Monday, Jan. 14, 2002 | David C. Stolinsky

Posted on 01/14/2002 3:41:37 AM PST by tberry

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"But are we trying to preserve these ideas and hand them down to the next generation? Or are we doing our best to eradicate these ideas from our collective memory? Are we attempting to induce national amnesia? Are we, in fact, performing a historectomy? That is, are we removing the basis of our nation?"
1 posted on 01/14/2002 3:41:37 AM PST by tberry
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To: tberry
If you want to destroy a house, undermine the foundation. If you want to destroy a nation, do the same. If you want to debase people who are defined by ideas, destroy the ideas. If you want to bring down a society that is sustained by its history, perform a historectomy. But be aware that this can be a dangerous operation from which the patient may not recover.

See "Gramsci."

2 posted on 01/14/2002 3:48:27 AM PST by copycat
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To: tberry
Well when you reduce nations to the absract (the idea) all sorts of mischief can happen. He goes about complaining about the rewriting of history and the deletion of people when he has no right to complain. The Left that he snivels about is in service to the "idea" not the people they are expendable and their history is expendable.
3 posted on 01/14/2002 3:49:29 AM PST by junta
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To: tberry;Mercuria;Crabcake;sarcasm;dennisw;SpookBrat
Good post, Bump and ping.
4 posted on 01/14/2002 4:07:21 AM PST by Brownie74
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To: Brownie74
basic comprehensional bump.
5 posted on 01/14/2002 4:23:50 AM PST by knarf
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To: tberry
You nailed it! First take away a country's history. Once the people begin to lose their sense of who they are as a people, then start a new movement to emphasize their Ethnic Origin, or "Diversity." Divide and conquer!
6 posted on 01/14/2002 4:26:10 AM PST by Destructor
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To: tberry
The last major addition was the invasion of the Franks, a Germanic tribe that settled northwestern France and gave the nation its name. This occurred roughly 1,500 years ago.

The Rand McNally Atlas of World History shows the Frankish Kindom in Southwest Franc and in the parts of spoin the became Aragon, Aquitane, and Castile.

7 posted on 01/14/2002 4:28:55 AM PST by RLK
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To: Destructor
First take away a country's history. Once the people begin to lose their sense of who they are as a people, then start a new movement to emphasize their Ethnic Origin, or "Diversity." Divide and conquer!

Isn't this very thing happening today? Open borders!! Aztlan!! Reconquista!! Amnesty!!

8 posted on 01/14/2002 4:36:34 AM PST by Brownie74
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To: tberry
Good post that doesn't EVEN begin to touch on the subject.
Our history is being changed, rewritten, and lied about and has been since the early 1900's.
The truth about the Civil War, WWI, the Federal Reserve, fdr, the Depression, WWII, McCarthy, Korea,
Vietnam, etc. doesn't get mentioned in school, although the info is out there for anyone that wants to dig.
And there is a reason for it.
It teaches citizens to be unquestioning government-led sheeple instead of independent Americans.
9 posted on 01/14/2002 4:47:13 AM PST by freefly
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To: tberry
I can certainly relate to this post. During a sixth grade parent/teacher conference my son's teacher stated that he had not turned in his "Matthew Henson assignment". When I came home I asked my son why he hadn't turned in the assignment and, by the way, who is Matthew Henson (the muppet guy?). No, I was informed that he was the first explorer to reach the North Pole. Of course, I quickly informed my son that he was mistaken, that would be Admiral Peary. Well, it turns out that all of the kids in our school district are now being taught that Matthew Henson was the man who led Admiral Peary to the North Pole. Peary was there in a somewhat secondary role. I know you can all guess what race Matthew Henson was. I have now reeducated my son and all of his friends and it has become a standing joke within his group. One night we were all watching Jeopardy and the question was asked "Who was the first explorer to reach the North Pole". The show's writers having not been reeeducated under PC doctrine gave the correct answer as Admiral Peary. This, I am sure, came as quite a shock to a number of kids today.
10 posted on 01/14/2002 5:05:49 AM PST by hangin' chad
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To: hangin' chad
You hit it. Ask your son if he knows who Crispus Attucks is....(hint, he's the first person killed in the Revolutionary War, and he was also black). I bet your son will ace it.

My American History class spent more time on Attucks, than on John Hancock, or Jefferson, or Thomas Paine. I was fortunate in that my dad is a history buff and 'finished' my education.

11 posted on 01/14/2002 5:23:05 AM PST by wbill
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To: tberry
the public schools don't want to teach history; the people should fund alternative schools for their children; You can't dictate to the public school regime what their priorities will be, that doesn't work; you can only switch management regimes if you wish them to change their priorities; You want schools that bind our people together rather than divide us by ethnic origin, you want schools teach history, you must get a different management regime completely to do it; As long as politicians like Bush keep throwing money at the established education bureaucrats and managers, then nothing will change of substance.
13 posted on 01/14/2002 5:24:51 AM PST by Red Jones
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To: junta
"The Left that he snivels about is in service to the "idea" not the people they are expendable and their history is expendable."

I think you need to go back and read the post a little more critically. The ideas that are presented are not "liberal" ideas but the ideas that conservatism supposedly wants to "conserve."

The history of who a nation and it's people are is certainly not expendable if you believe in those ideas. If you are saying that the ideas traditionally held by our founding fathers and patriots are expendable then you must value them very little. It would then follow that there must be other beliefs such as communism, socialism, fascism or some other "ism" that you believe in.

What do you believe in? Pure democracy says that the majority is always right is not what our country was founded on and is a form that condones anything as long as enough agree and that nothing but blowing in the wind. Being blown this way and that with no real personal beliefs.

What did the old country song say? "If you don't believe in something, you will believe in anything."

14 posted on 01/14/2002 5:32:21 AM PST by tberry
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To: tberry
Every single citizen who cares to preserve our country and our form of government needs to go to schools in their neighborhoods. Ask to review the history books. Get some veterans organization to help out. Put out a report showing how the books are inadequate for teaching kids respect and admiration for their own country. You will find many books openly promote socialism and communist ideals.

Make sure your report gets to the parents, take it to the school board and insist that the books be replaced with books that will teach kids things they ought to know about our history.

Take a survey. Does each class have an American flag in every room? I know that at our high school a large number of rooms don't.Many states have laws that flags must be present so you have the force of the law behind you when you tell the school they must place flags in the room. Sign up to be an observer one day. Sit in a class and see if the kids pledge. Find out exactly what they are doing in the classroom. You do not have to be a parent or a parent with a child in the classroom. Everyone has a right to review school materials, especially if you are a tax payer.

Encourage your school to bring in local veterans or the DAR or SAR to talk about our great history to the kids. They often bring in a perspective that teachers cannot. Make sure the curricula discusses the value of the Constitution and how important it is. Kids need to know that it is under assault every day and the kind of world that will result when the Consitution is made irrelevant is not one that anyone wants to live in.

Lets all stop talking and start doing! The communists realized early on that getting control of the schools was a major step in achieving the destruction of the US. We can't let them win!
15 posted on 01/14/2002 5:45:02 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Red Jones
So, my kid brother is 10. Goes to Central Park Elementary School (a public school, the same one I attended when I was younger) and takes a social studies class. Five Quick Questions for the boy:

Who was Thomas Jefferson? "The guy who wrote the Constitution".

Who was Robert Lee? "A Civil-War general".

What did Thomas Edison invent? "The lightbulb".

Who was Crispus Attucks? "Don't know".

Who was Paul Revere? "The guy who went around on a horse telling people that the Red-Coats were comming".

Not too shabby for a 4th grader. If he's to be used as the litmus-test, then the author of this article is being just a bit too alarmist. I don't know about the rest of you, but I have a hard time taking any writer who believes that John Ford films have a place in a history class seriously.

So far as I can tell they haven't been sending him home with Mao's "Little Red Book", and while some of the more horrific parts of history (such as the Holocaust or 1970's Cambodia) are glossed over, the text that he uses seems a balanced and fair summary of American history. The only downside seems to be that it's from 1993.

Clinton....shudder.

16 posted on 01/14/2002 5:54:31 AM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: Brownie74
"First take away a country's history. Once the people begin to lose their sense of who they are as a people, then start a new movement to emphasize their Ethnic Origin, or "Diversity." Divide and conquer!"

"Isn't this very thing happening today? Open borders!! Aztlan!! Reconquista!! Amnesty!!"

Exactly! That is exactly what is happening now. At the risk of sounding like one of the Tin Foil Hat crowd- we are being set up for a U.N. takeover! Global Government is a reality, but there is no conspiracy behind it. The United Nations is out in the open about what it wants to do! FACT:The U.N. is trying to push Gun Control on a Global scale. FACT: The U.N. is trying to establish a Global Tax Base with contributions from all countries worldwide. FACT: The U.N. is trying to set up it's own Army. If you don't believe me, then check their web page. As U.S. Citizens we must ask ourselves where is it all going? What are the motives behind these actions on the part of the United Nations?

17 posted on 01/14/2002 5:57:38 AM PST by Destructor
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To: Zeroisanumber
if they even teach history in that school, then that's good. Normally when they teach it they do so in an incompetent manner that turns the kids off. Also, there is information I've read that indicates throughout most public schools history is not really taught anywhere near as well as it was taught decades ago. The children really are growing up ignorant.

They are instead being taught what the author said that American history shows a bad people who did bad things. They are being divided by ethnic group and taught alienation rather than binded together as George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and MLK wanted them to be. The people in charge of our schools are not dealing with our society in good faith. They should be replaced. If the parents are allowed a choice as to what schools their kids go to, then they will be replaced.

The author said that the John Ford films helped to bind the nation together. He viewed them outside of school, he was not advocating that they be a part of school.

18 posted on 01/14/2002 6:04:48 AM PST by Red Jones
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To: Red Jones
Can't be that bad or I'd be ignorant too. I was in grade school only...11 (11...man, I'm getting old) years ago.
19 posted on 01/14/2002 6:17:18 AM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: wbill
The War of Independence began in either 1775 or 1776, depending on whether you date it from Lexington and Concord or from the Declaration of Independence. The first rebel casualty thus occurred on Lexington Common, but since he was a heterosexual Protestant White Guy who owned a gun, nobody appears to remember his name.

Crispus Attucks was killed in 1770. In a foretaste of things to come, he was part of a mob that was throwing snowballs and rocks and British sentries in Boston. The British sentries responded with bullets. They were put on trial, defended by John Adams, and acquitted. Had reverends Sharpton & Jackson been there, Boston would have erupted in mahyem and looting.

The elevation of Crispus Attucks to civic sainthood was one of the earliest blows delivered on behalf of Political Correctness in its campgaign to re-invent America's identity. How far we've come since then! Not only are "bit players" elevated into major roles, but they are "airbrushed" into the historical record -- as demonstrated by the current controversy over the FDNY memorial in NYC.

20 posted on 01/14/2002 6:22:44 AM PST by Goetz_von_Berlichingen
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