Posted on 01/11/2002 3:20:52 PM PST by GMMAC
Even now, hospitals are pestering patients with lingering, but not terminal, conditions to sign "do not resesitate" (sp?) documents that will allow them (the medicos) to pull the plug under certain conditions.
Throw in the destruction of the family unit, the general loss of faith in God, the realization that our government has gone from being the protector of our freedoms to being a general purpose jailer that allows most of temporary parole -- and it is no wonder that a growing percentage of people have decided to check out early.
The rate for women is declining. The rate for the general population has fluctuated in the range of 10 to 17 per 100,000 population in the years since 1900. The CDC reports the overall rate now at 11.3. This is a net decline since a peak in about 1977 of about 12.5.
There is no justification that I can see to call this an epidemic.
Do people really pay to read newspapers like this? It would be bad enough if reading such a rag was just a waste of time. The liberal press is worse than a waste of time because it creates a mindless call for government action at every turn which decreases our freedom.
I apologize if my numbers are not absolutely accurate and if someone can provide better, please do. But I encourage anyone subscribing to this newspaper or the many similar around our country to cancel now before there is any further damage done to our republic.
(see chart at http://www.suicidemethods.net/graphs/homi-suicide.gif)
Uhm, the state doesn't actually file for the divorce.
That's up to the spouse. Or do you want to
make divorce illegal?
People who commit suicide think *only* of themselves. Sick.
Yeah, the selfish bastard.
Plus, overall, women initiate something in the vicinity of 80% of all divorce proceedings - in large part because they know they'll likely "win" in court.
The point isn't no divorces - it's that the state shouldn't be taking sides; not on the discriminatory basis of respective genders and, especially, not to the disadvantage of children whom all persons of goodwill should recognize have a basic human right to relationships with both of their parents.
I'll go along with that...
If the overall rate among women is 4.4, how high is the rate among men?
Suicide Leading Cause of Injury-Related Deaths Among Middle-Aged Men in Ontario, Reports CIHI.
(Ottawa) Suicides account for one-third of all injury-related deaths in Ontario, reports the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI). According to the Institute?s latest report, there were 1,012 deaths due to suicides and self-inflicted injuries (including poisonings) in 1998-99. The majority (79%) of these suicide-related deaths was among men and the mean age of death was 44.
"The statistics show that, on average, three people die of suicide and self-inflicted injuries every day in Ontario. Although suicides are usually associated with teens and young males, they are also a major health concern among middle-aged men," explains Greg Webster, CIHI?s Manager of Clinical Registries. "Our report shows that suicides were the leading cause of injury-related deaths among men aged 35 to 64, accounting for 39% of all injury deaths in this group. By comparison, suicides accounted for 25% of all injury deaths among teenagers aged 10 to 19."
I think that the rate among men was stated to be four times that of women which would be about 17.6. Since the population of females is roughly the same as males, that gives a combined rate of (4.4 + 17.6 )/2 or 11, roughly the same number reported by the CDC.
The comment that I made is that there is no epidemic. I would be very surprised if the ratio of male suicide to female suicide has ever been much less than it is now. The article certainly contained no numbers to justify using the alarmist language that it did.
The article is liberal garbage intended to create sentiment for taking action which could hardly be justified by the facts.
Often, by white females.
Perhaps liberals find it bothersome because it means they can no longer get any more money from the people they enslaved.
I believe that the majority of men commit suicide using a firearm. This type of media attack is an element in justifying further gun prohibitions. This is despite the fact that statistics from Japan and Canada show that people just shift to a different method.
In Canada, I have read reports that they are considering mandating changes to exhaust pipes to lessen the convenience of suicide by carbon monoxide. What morons.
I can't tell what "much less" means. The ratio has widened over the last 20 years. In 1979 it was 3.1-to-1, by 1990 it had risen to 4.2-to-one. There hasn't been much change since.
What I just did is called 'lying with statistics.' I did that by lumping all age groups together, which masks the phenomenon that the article's author is talking about.
The article is liberal garbage intended to create sentiment for taking action which could hardly be justified by the facts.
I think it is a leap to suggest that because the article contained no numbers to back up its claims, that it is therefore 'garbage' unsupported by facts. Should someone go check the facts, they would find that the ratio of male-to-female suicide in the age group being talked about has indeed changed markedly.
In the age group 40-44, the ratio of male/female suicide was 2.3-to-1 in 1979 (that's as early as the data goes back), 3.4-to-1 in 1990, and is 3.5-to-one now. Put another way, the suicide rate among females has fallen 27% over the period; among males it has risen 12%.
I don't know if this constitutes an 'epidemic,' but it is a fact, and one it makes sense to look into. There are news articles appearing in most Western countries now linking a high suicide rate among middle-aged males to a family court system that has become a star chamber in its treatment of male parents. The horror stories about men being ordered to pay twice what they make -- and then jailed when they don't -- are becoming too numerous to ignore. So are the ones where obviously frivolous charges of child abuse are leveled against fathers, who are summarily stripped of all rights to even speak with their children, and sometimes even jailed, "just in case." There really is something to this, and it is surprising to hear so many treat it as something men should simply endure as part of being a man. Since when are debtors prisons, and being jailed on false charges, something that U.S. citzens are supposed to "endure?"
I think many of these suicides come from the fact that the treatment is such a surprise. Most of us have very little contact with the court system throughout our lives. We assume that courts are out there treating people fairly and dispensing justice with an even, if imperfect, hand.
Nothing prepares these men for what actually happens, which is that they are immediately classified as sub-human animals whose rights to raise -- or even talk to -- their own children are brushed aside as if they were cats or cattle. Then a totally arbitrary and capricious system decides that the median income for a man their age is X, so they should pay .9X in child support. By definition, half of the men make less than the median, so that puts them in quite a spot. Don't anybody claim this doesn't happen, or that it is rare. It happens a lot.
A man who has always assumed that he was a citizen, and would be treated fairly by a court, is stunned when he finds out he's really just an animal, a beast of burden. When his own lawyer tells him not to fight it, but to just roll over because this is how it is now, it probably comes as quite a shock. I'm not as surprised as some people are that a small number of such men are overwhelmed by it.
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