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To: dennisw
Don't listen to goblins he and Askel5 said they didn't like capitalism( by process of elimination that makes them COMMUNIST)
80 posted on 01/09/2002 8:13:47 AM PST by weikel
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To: weikel
Thanks. Makes it easier to understand them
87 posted on 01/09/2002 8:48:05 AM PST by dennisw
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To: weikel; goblins
Not that it will much matter to you but it's good form not only to flag folks to your flamebait but -- when mischaracterizing a post -- provide a handy link to same.

If you can, please point out the basis on which you've "reasoned" that I'm a Communist.

Only an idiot confuses democracy or freedom with capitalism.

Capitalism has much to recommend it -- particularly when compared to socialism -- but it has its fatal flaws. For instance, it tends to ground out the individual -- both persons and independent businesses -- in favor always of the merger toward the mega-corporation. That's a decided loss of individual rights and leads directly to fascist State Corporations ... whether or not "commies" like Clinton are so brazen as to float the idea of investing our surplus for us in State Corporations (a la national socialists or "Nazis").

And, let's face it, it's a purely materialistic system that -- without moral actors -- ends up some Exercise in Selfishness, a la Ayn Rand, where your only thin hope is that others will treat you nice because they want you to treat them nice. Fat chance, bub. Odds are not in your favor.

So ... at heart, your capitalists and the commies BOTH are living in a purely material world. Given the historical complicity and philosophical similarities in many respects between the commies and the fascists (as illustrated using Clinton above and despite all the sound and fury they can muster to the contrary like some ballyhooed Sino-Soviet split or sumpin') what you think of as capitalism is no match whatsoever for the combo of national socialism and communism.

If you look back a ways, you'll find that commies can "do" capitalism. Check out Lenin and his reliance on capitalists like Armand Hammer to help out with the NEP in Russia.

Bottom line ... both capitalism and communism (and its Corsican brother national socialism) are means of organizing society through economic -- not human -- terms. (Again, capitalism is far closer to allowing for human dignity and respecting human nature with its so-called inalienable rights, but there's no particular moral code built into capitalism. Quite the opposite, despite all the huffing and puffing of the Randians who worship a woman who could describe pregancy as an "infection".)


93 posted on 01/09/2002 9:27:28 AM PST by Askel5
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To: weikel
We intimated that we loved freedom. You apparantly took that to be an attack on capitalism. Boo hoo!
97 posted on 01/09/2002 9:39:46 AM PST by Goblins
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