Posted on 01/03/2002 3:41:25 AM PST by dtom
Time to Abolish Clerical Celibacy FrontPageMagazine.com | January 3, 2002 FATHER ARTHUR CARRAHER is a Roman Catholic priest in Toronto. He has just recently confessed to being a child molester. He faces seven charges of indecent assault in Dublin, Ireland.
Tragically, this 79-year-old criminal might avoid justice, because it looks like he will live out his final days in Canada. Already ill, this individual benefits from the fact that bureaucrats have yet to ratify an extradition treaty that would force him back to Ireland. It is clear that "Father" Carraher settled in Canada to avoid punishment for his crimes. His victims, meanwhile, whose lives he shattered at a young age, cry out for justice. This outrage is just another reminder of the serious problem that has grown within the Catholic Church as a result of the imposition of clerical celibacy. I am a Catholic. I believe in the Church. I have also had the privilege of meeting, and befriending, many Catholic priests in my life - and a large proportion of them are obviously pious people who are not child abusers. Having said that, I must say that, as a Catholic, I can no longer stay silent about the pathology that the enforcement of celibacy has caused within the Church. Forced clerical celibacy simply has to go. It is directly connected to the widespread existence of pedophilia and homosexuality in the priesthood. Many of my fellow Catholics will be outraged at me for raising this issue. But I am far more concerned about the victims who have had their lives and identities destroyed for a lifetime, than I am about making some people uncomfortable about bringing this taboo subject up for discussion. Let?s get one thing straight: enforced celibacy has nothing to do with Christian theology. That?s why it was never an enforced rule for priests until the 11th century, when the Church officially mandated it for completely non-theological reasons. Pope Gregory VII (1073-1085) banned priests from being married because he wanted to solve the problem of their families inheriting Church property. Anyone with half a brain would have known that Pope Gregory?s act was going to invite a tremendous evil into the Church. I mean, think about it: does it really take a rocket scientist to figure out what will happen to males in an institution that forbids them from getting married? Let me give you a little hint: ponder what happens to a male?s mind and body after he goes through puberty. Now consider the consequences of a male repressing, and not having an outlet for, the natural feelings and desires that he will subsequently live with for the rest of his adult life. Perhaps some people don?t need sex. Fair enough. But it needs to be a voluntary decision. Is it really a surprise that criminals like "Father" Carraher emerge and that they destroy the lives of many innocent human beings? Of course Carraher must accept personal responsibility for what he did. After all, the majority of priests are obviously ethical people who do not hurt young boys - notwithstanding their celibacy. But this does not mean that we should ignore the pathology that is engendered by enforced celibacy. In recent years, reports of Catholic priests sexually abusing children have come to light in virtually every major U.S. city. Yet the Church continues to refuse to deal with this problem in a serious way. It?s time it did. The fact is that when women are demonized, pathology always emerges. It is so ingrained in many Catholic priests to believe that it would be dirty and evil for them to have sex with a woman, that some of them end up rationalizing that it is less sinful to molest a little boy -- or to have sex with a man. Yet, for the Catholic Church, the alternative decision to engage in homosexuality is far more sinful, and in the case of the abuse of little boys, far more inhumane, criminal and clearly diabolical. Abnormal sexual behavior, like pedophilia, is often found among males in situations where the woman -- the ideal sexual object -- is forbidden or unavailable. That?s why a strong case can be made that Islamic terror, for instance, is rooted in the misogyny and sexual repression that is embedded in Muslim cultures. In light of these realities, it is the obligation, especially of Catholics, to speak out against the Church?s policy of mandatory celibacy for priests. It?s the least that the victims of "Father" Carraher, and of the hundreds of monsters like him, deserve. |
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All I saw was somebody saying, hey, buddy, your church is only 40 years old, whereas mine is 2000.
You didn't say anything about tradition, but I admit to wandering into the middle of the discussion, so I guess I missed it.
Traditions, by the way, have been known to become incorrect and altered over time, for what it's worth.
patent, I said goodbye very nicely.You post to a public forum. You make assertions. I challenge some of them. You chose not to respond to that, running off. You do, however, continue to argue the issue with others. I guess I will continue to respond if I like. I am sorry if that bothers you.
You are free to believe whatever it is you wish, but I think it's really amusing that you have labeled me a "liberal Protestant". No, not amusing, but absolutely rolling-on-the-floor, tears-streaming-down-the-face, gasping-for-breath, belly laughing, fud-ruckingly, hysterically unbelievable.;-) Then dont act like one. You know what the Church is, dont distort the teaching in the liberal fashion and I wont call you a liberal.
At least you left me happy. But it would be nice, if just once, you could leave out your silly personal labels, especially since you come to such enormously wrong conclusions.You have done your own labels, insinuating sinkspur is aligned with catholics for a free choice and the like. Seems a bit hypocritical to whine about it. You handle yourself just fine in amidst any flame wars, even ones as mild as this.
The statement I made about being labeled a "heretic" was just a bit of hyperbole and you know that very well. I posted the Encyclical for all to read. Silly man.Very good. Then what do you consider the Popes who changed the Rite of the Mass after Quo Primum?
Dominus Vobiscum
patent +AMDG
patent
Yep, you just can't beat a good Catholic School education!
It was sarcasm, a silly outlandish claim in response to a silly outlandish claim.
Unfortunately I was largely educated in public schools, much to my dismay.
patent
If such hatred is the product of your "religion", then somewhere, your "religion" has lost the spirit and teachings of Jesus Christ.
You have my pity, for you live in a dark world of fear and loathing.
>>>If such hatred
Can I ask what in particular makes you think I hate, and what or who it is that I hate?
Thanks,
patent
Back before every bishop had to report to the pope in Rome, a priest was allowed to be married. After Gregory VII, as part of a general effort to consolidate and control the Catholic franchise, the clergy was informed that they were to give up their wives. If you didn't agree, your wife was abducted and sold into slavery.
I asked for a source and you replied with:
Born in Blood: The Lost Secrets of Freemasonry, by John J. Robinson, M. Evans & Company, New York, 1989, p. 261. ISBN 0-87131-602-1
Thank you. The quality of this contribution is now piercingly clear.
You'll get no argument from me on that.
(Gold plates that nobody can produce,...
As if having the plates would prove anything besides the fact that there were gold plates. Would you then complain that Joseph was a fraud because he couldn't produce an angel on demand as well?
... written in a language that nobody has ever heard of,...
... as if every language that has ever been spoken on the planet in the history of the earth has left a record of itself...
... relating events that never took place,...
You can't prove a negative, at least, not without being omniscient. You can prove, however, that the first section of the Book of Mormon, which takes place in the Old World, betrays a posession of knowledge of Arabian geography (and other topics) which nobody can seem to explain in the case of an uneducated Joseph Smith.
... do not qualify.)
In your opinion. We do, however have the purported translated text of the gold plates, and it is a wonder in and of itself. Uneducated Joseph Smiths just don't produce a Book of Mormon every day. Write me another one yourself, just like it, if it's so easy to do, would you? If you can produce something that could pass as one of the sealed portions of the Book of Mormon, your anti-Mormon friends will pay you handsomely, no doubt.
Tradition was what the entire discussion was about, but it is difficult to follow the thread of a conversation that is taking place between two or three individuals unless one follows it from the beginning, and that is sometimes too tedious to do because other comments are interspersed between them.
Yes, traditions have been known to be changed, but in this instance there are no errors attendant to the traditions of the Catholic Church to which I referred.
I spent a lot of time responding to you - I felt it was the correct moment to end a discussion that was going nowhere, yet you choose to label it "running away". That's puerile. And I don't need to check with you if I choose to reply to others who have directed a comment to me. Jealous, patent? Oops, now you're going to explode again.
The reason I don't continue to discuss these matters with you is because of your apparent incurable addiction to making personal, rude remarks. Perhaps you should try a 12-step program.The last comment isnt a personal, rude remark? Please, remove the plank in your eye.
And I don't need to check with you if I choose to reply to others who have directed a comment to me. Jealous, patent? Oops, now you're going to explode again.I didnt suggest you needed to check with me. I said that I will respond if I like. You are completely and entirely free to post as you like, and I wont even suggest that you shouldnt.
patent +AMDG
You are completely and entirely free to post as you like, and I wont even suggest that you shouldnt.
Why, patent, I do believe you said something nice to me. Sort of. Thanks.
I could probably say a number of nice things about you. I like your writing style, etc., though as I think we've hit before your biting "humor" is not so terribly funny when directed towards someone you are arguing with, where it gives the rather strong impression of trying to cut folks down.
I respect your morals, and the choice to follow a rigourous faith instead of caving to this world. Lots of things from there. We disagree on a couple points. Those things seem to rise to the top.
patent
It was his research that led him to become a Mason late in his life, a process that he documented in his last book on the subject.
I would highly recommend that you read "Born in Blood" before you continue to attack, unless of course, you are either afraid of the truth, or your Priest or Bishop won't let you.
"You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free."
The tenor and tone of your responses and dictates on this particular thread are of one who is intollerant of anyone whose opinions differ in the slightest from your own. This behavior appears to indicate contempt for any and all who do not meet your particular standards of religious "purity". Hence, the Taliban analog.
Calling you a Nazi would be intellectually lazy and inappropriate. I suspect that the term "Taliban" will become an label in the future for any and all people who take their religion to aggressive extremes.
As to who you hate, I would, from your numerous postings on this thread, suspect that the list would include all non-Christians, Protestants, and Roman Catholics in particular who do not meet your rigid standards of "purity of thought".
Now, have I answered your question in a civil enough manner, or will your inquisition continue to the logical conclusion of purification in fire after the requisite time on the rack and in the iron maiden?
How nice. A call for an end to contempt for those who hold a different religion.
Now, have I answered your question in a civil enough manner, or will your inquisition continue to the logical conclusion of purification in fire after the requisite time on the rack and in the iron maiden?
How nice. Because a Catholic asks you questions, you make oh so clever "inquisition" remarks. If only you saw the contempt you yourself show.
SD
A charge was made that the Church went around kidnapping and murdering the wives of Bishops to enforce clerical celibacy. The source for this comment is a book on the Masons. If the charge is true surely there must be another (and vaguely credible) source?
"You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free."
Yes it will. (And the truth isn't hidden by conspiracies or known only to secret societies.)
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