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Why Islam appeals to prisoners
National Post ^ | December 29, 2001 | Theodore Dalrymple

Posted on 12/30/2001 10:06:48 AM PST by Clive

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1 posted on 12/30/2001 10:06:48 AM PST by Clive
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To: WileyCoyote22
Islam is a criminal religion. Let's not become PC, see the obvious.
3 posted on 12/30/2001 10:24:54 AM PST by freedom_from_socialism
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To: Clive
Dalrymple nailed this one when he stated that it was really an act of revenge on society.

When you think of the appeal islam has to the typical incarcerated man in the U.S. it gives him a structured way to:

1. Shift blame for their own actions by explaining it as a response to injustice.
2. Engage in a practice that is offensive to the majority of Americans.
3. Hide behind a religion to explain their own anti-White racism.

Throw in the added bonus of a new, hard to pronounce name and a cool hat, and it’s just too much for an ill educated, poorly reasoning black youth to decline.

4 posted on 12/30/2001 10:24:59 AM PST by End Times Sentinel
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To: WileyCoyote22
and they are then susceptible to evangelism of all kinds. They need a doctrine that provides all the answers at once.

This same statement would apply to why inner city kids join gangs. Broken homes, low self-esteem, it all seems very similar to the classic Cryps and Bloods syndrome. A gang gives the young guy a feeling of belonging, people to look up to, rules to follow, all the things they may not have had at home.

I think we need to see Islamic fanatacism as a huge, international "gang" from which the members derive a sense of purpose. This is certainly not to say that I have any sympathy for any of them, but rather, maybe it's time to go after the gangs that terrorize us in our inner cities with the same amount of energy. Clean up ALL the losers.
Just a thought.

5 posted on 12/30/2001 10:25:53 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: WileyCoyote22
What are the moderates though? I always hear of Turkey being a moderate Islamic country and yet there the military is used to keep Islam in control. Ataturk did not exactly allow Muslims freedom when he required them to stop using Arabic and had the police pull off veils from women and forbid the Mosques from making too much noise. They are only free because strong measures keep Islam in line. I don't know if the US can do that.
6 posted on 12/30/2001 10:27:02 AM PST by FITZ
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8 posted on 12/30/2001 10:33:45 AM PST by Bogey78O
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To: WileyCoyote22
Agreed.

Before September 11, I often found myself, (a Christian, BTW), defending Islam as misunderstood, particularly in context of the way that the term "jihad" had been misused by fanatics.

I had explained many times that "jihad" was a personal and moral struggle, not an excuse for bloodshed, and that Islam did not condone the killing of non-combatants in war.

My perception of Islam began to degrade around about September 19, when it became apparent that there would be no public outrage emanating from the mullahs and the imams.

Their almost deafening silence on the perversion of "jihad", the corruption of "fatwah" and the commission of mass murder in the name of Allah has virtually screamed a refutation of the oft repeated claim that Islam is a peaceful religion.

I have now come reluctantly to the conclusion that "jihad" has lost its original meaning and that it now has exactly the meaning given to it by the fanatics.

Salaam aleichem.

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9 posted on 12/30/2001 10:37:41 AM PST by Clive
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To: Clive
Well a big part of sales is to make the pitch and to actually ask for the sale.
10 posted on 12/30/2001 10:41:40 AM PST by A CA Guy
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To: Clive
It's the 72 virgins, or the 28 young boys, depending upon if they are demoncrats or DEMONCRATS.
12 posted on 12/30/2001 10:53:58 AM PST by hsszionist
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To: Clive
Islamic moderates? Is there such a thing? I doubt it. Islam, at its core, is violent, oppressive, extremeist and intolerant. But these goofy liberal apologists constantly cry that "true" islam has been hijacked by extremeists everywhere. If the mohammedan cult is so blasted easy to hijack to violent, hateful extremeism at every turn, then perhaps that's just what it is at its core. I have gagged my way through the koran, and it is a violent, intolerant, woman-fearing/hating ditribe that calls for propagation through bloody conquest.

There is no escaping this war of islam vs. human civilization. THEY declared it. THEY support it (with plausible denials, of course). And THEY are bringing it to us. The only good thing is that they are only effective at slitting women's throats and attacking unarmed people. When it comes to a face to face fight with real men, they run screaming and crying like frightened little schoolgirls.
13 posted on 12/30/2001 11:43:11 AM PST by Thorondir
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There's been an awful lot of condemnation from the Muslim community about the World Trade Center and Pentagon bombings.

Just remember that it's the U.S. media's job to fire you up and keep you buying magazines and watching the crappy nightly news. So of course they're going to show the worst Muslims from time to time to make your blood boil. But there are plenty of good ones out there as well, and I have seen dozens of Muslim religious leaders on the boob tube condemning the attacks.

There are an awful lot of Christians who aren't worth knowing, who treat their families like crap and commit crimes against our society, but by no means does that excuse us writing off all Christians as such. Why should we write off all Muslims in that fashion?

14 posted on 12/30/2001 12:12:50 PM PST by tgiles
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To: Clive; *Clash of Civilizatio
This article speaks volumes.
15 posted on 12/30/2001 12:21:04 PM PST by denydenydeny
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Did any one ever hear of a person who became a good person, and wanted to help the world be a better place, after becoming a Muslim? I never have. Most are hell-bent on evil. The criminal element is drawn to it. Muhammed was a old man who had sex with a 9 year old little girl, and he had 11 to 14 wives if you count them. He fought wars, and he killed people in battle, and he disrespected himself and all who were not like him, or did not think like him. I just cannot see how any sane person would think that this is good.
16 posted on 12/30/2001 12:40:53 PM PST by tessalu
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You mean to tell me it didn't help the ear-munching rapist, Mike Tyson?
17 posted on 12/30/2001 1:13:21 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: tgiles
"Alot of condemnation????" It has been a lockstep of "Yes, but.." Every Muslim leader I have seen has said that America has earned this in a weasaly way. You need to think of the 1st Amendment; i.e. it's freedom OF religon NOT, freedom FROM ANY BUT YOUR OWN!
18 posted on 12/30/2001 1:42:01 PM PST by dirkthedaring
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To: Clive
"A visitor would think that Britain was an Islamic country."

The visitor would be wrong. Britain is a pagan country where most of the population believe in nothing except the "values" of socialism.

19 posted on 12/30/2001 2:00:42 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: Clive
Islam agrees to prisoners because, as criminals, they blame society for their mistakes and wrongs, are chronic whiners, and refuse to take responsibility for their own lives. That is Islam in a nutshell.

And how could it be otherwise? Muhammad himself was an outlaw, a brigand, a highwayman, a bandit who lived by attacking and murdering merchant caravans crossing the desert.

For him money was booty, and to work for a living contemptible and unnecessary--something only infidels ought to do, so that Muslims could live by fleecing them, ...by violence and the threat of violence.

It will be hard to convince Muslims that this is wrong, as long as it is working so well. How much did we give Egypt and the others to buy them off last year? And how much does the EU and Norway give? And what is the source of Yasser Arafat's $120 million fortune in Swiss banks?

"Rich booty shall be yours, yea, you shall have it," said Muhammad.

20 posted on 12/30/2001 2:07:27 PM PST by crystalk
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