The Necessity of Fear

The Atlantic Online ^ | December 28, 2001 | Katie Bacon

[Libertarianize the GOP]

Great Analysis. FYI

[Free the USA]

FYI

[CommiesOut]

"Some in the Agency love to talk about this, because it moves the conversation away from the real issues"

Necessity of fear, camouflage, blahblah...
Sounds familiar.

[malarski]

Most Muslims in the Middle East probably admire the creative genius—at least the creative technical genius—of the West. They admire, even if they can't or choose not to emulate, many of the Western habits—individual initiative, personal discipline, civic responsibility, personal and corporate honesty—connected to this technical creativity

Yeah, and they actually never lived in the West I presume.

[Aaron_A]

Reuel Marc Gerecht

I saw this dude on a Sunday talkshow soon after 9/11 - he was by far the only person who seemed to know what he was talking about. I haven't seen much of him since.

[backhoe]

Thanks, FWIW, I'll be here:

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[backhoe]

FWIW, I'll be lurking @ the sites in reply #9....

SS, internal email works OK here, as does the bump list.

[Inge_CAV]

Thanks backhoe!

BTTT!

[Mudboy Slim]

"As to associations of the victims with Clinton, this is what is known about the seven cases, and is clearly elucidated in Jacobson's article:

1. Victor C. Raiser - Chairman of Clinton's presidential campaign finance - association level: CLOSE

2. Marine personnel that crashed in helicopter - All had flown Clinton to the USS Roosevelt - association level: Definitely there, but not necessarily close.

3. Navy aviators - They had been a special squadron picked to escort Clinton during his visit aboard the USS Roosevelt - association level: There, but also not necessarily close. However, the fact that the very Marines that flew him there, and the very Naval personnel picked to escort him, had died within 2 months of his vist, is something to note.

4. Stanley Heard and Steven Dickson - I don't know about Dickson, but Heard was a close personal friend of Clinton's - association level: CLOSE

5. Herschel Friday-Key member of 1992 presidential Campaign Finance Committee, and according to Clinton, a close friend of his - association level: CLOSE.

6. Ron Brown - Clinton's Commerce Secretary. It can hardly be claimed that Brown and Clinton didn't know each other very well! They were perhaps not really friends behind the scenes, but knew each other well - association level: CLOSE.

7. Aldo Franscoia- Secret Service officer who was guarding some stuff in transit to NY - Association level: There, by Clinton's own admission, but not necessarily close. One of MANY personal body guards of Clinton's that has died in the last several years, however.

So, out of the seven cases, association with Clinton is irrefutible, and 4 out of the seven involve irrefutably close associations. Of the three that were not necessarily close, the way they died was the same, the time-period in which they died was short, and all of them fall into a category of associates of Clinton's that have a high rate of death (personal bodyguards).

So why is it so silly to wonder about these deaths? Is it not reasonanble to point out these coincidences and patterns? Throw out the deaths of the bodyguards (if that is not a strange pattern to you during a time of peace), and you still have the other 4 crashes of close associates, all involved in campaign finance. If you were a detective at your local police station, and someone called in with such a pattern of death of associates of a powerful citizen in your community, would you think it was worth looking into?

209 Posted on 06/14/2000 10:11:52 PDT by agrandis

VERRRRRREEEEE Interestin'...do you have any favorite threads bookmarked that clearly elucidate The Arkancide Theory and its circumstantial--and evidentiary--underpinnings?!

FReegards...MUD

[backhoe]

Just from my own files:

The Holiday *Best* of Bill Clinton & his Friends!

DUBOB 9-- even *more* tales from the Dark Underbelly of the Beast.....

What does Patrick Knowlton Know? More on the Vince Foster case***

A Whiff of Rot & Corruption

The Lonely Death of Vince Foster-- Case Unclosed?

TWA 800- who speaks for the dead?

The Boys on the Tracks-

Reno for Guv? Recall *this*

Was Ron Brown Assassinated? Take Two....

OKC Bombing Links

I realize that if you follow the links to more links it's a lot to read, but for example, flight 800 had at least one person associated with Ron Brown/clinton.....

Funny, huh?

[Alamo-Girl]

Here are all the Downside Legacy research threads (The general one is the body count project:)

REMEMBERING THE DEAD - RESEARCH WACO
WACO 2/17/00 to current
WACO 9/13/99 to 2/16/00
WACO 7/28/99 to 9/12/99
WACO BACK THEN
WACO TIMECLOCK
WACO TIMELINE
CARLOS GHIGLIOTTI
HOLE IN THE BUNKER AND FIREBALL RESEARCH

REMEMBERING THE DEAD - RESEARCH OTHER
*MARY MAHONEY* RESEARCH PROJECT
TWA800 HERE AND NOW
*BODY COUNT* RESEARCH PROJECT
RON BROWN

REMEMBERING THE DEAD - FREEPER THEORIES
TWA800 HYPOTHESIS
WACO FREEPER ALTERNATIVE THEORIES
WACO SLEEPER THEORY
WACO WMD THEORY
AL-DURA

REMEMBERING THE DEAD
LIST OF NAMES
SUICIDES
HOMICIDES
ACCIDENTS
NATURAL AND UNKNOWN CAUSES
WHILE ON DUTY
TRAGEDIES
UNRECORDED

[LiberteeBell]

The CIA probably doesn't have a single truly qualified Arabic-speaking officer of Middle Eastern background who can play a believable Muslim fundamentalist who would volunteer to spend years of his life with shitty food and no women in the mountains of Afghanistan. For Christ's sake, most case officers live in the suburbs of Virginia. We don't do that kind of thing.

So, the USSR was heaven on earth during the Cold War? Oh, it must have been the "women" thing that kept those "case officers" working then. Sheesh, this sounds like if you sign up for the CIA, you can expect to live comfortably in the 'burbs and never have to get your hands dirty.

[The Great Satan]

Terrific interview. Unfortunately, the portrait of today's CIA -- a bunch of lard-ass, do-nothing time servers, waiting for their retirement to kick in -- rings all too true. That's probably a pretty good description of the FBI, too, come to think of it.

[Mitchell]

Very interesting interview -- thanks for pinging me on it.

Do you know anything about this Reuel Marc Gerecht? It's unusual for a former spy to come forward publicly, because of the potential danger to himself and others.

[The Great Satan]

Do you know anything about this Reuel Marc Gerecht?

Never heard of him until I saw this, though the article refers to several books he's written. He certainly makes a lot of sense, though.

[Mitchell]

He certainly makes a lot of sense, though.

Yes, he has a straightforwardness that is usually lacking in discussions of the CIA (and the FBI, for that matter).

[goldilucky]

Yes and it does not surprise me still that we have spies working in our government. As for Osama bin Laden, I believe our government knows where he is at and knew about this terrorist incident to take place. I do not fear this government because it has lied to the American people too long. I fear and trust in God for he does lie to me but inspires me to see the truth of such matters. Our government operates in mystery because they are a fraud and regard common folk as their enemy.