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Ayn Rand And Her Legacy Of Idiotic Objectivists
Toogood Reports ^ | December 30, 2001 | Charles A. Morse

Posted on 12/29/2001 12:09:43 AM PST by Starmaker

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To: antienvironmentalist
Miracles are illogical

That is why they are called miracles :>)

1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Happy New Year!

41 posted on 12/29/2001 12:12:34 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: sirgawain
Good flag thanks!
42 posted on 12/29/2001 12:12:34 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Physicist
I reject creation, as outlined in the Bible, because it has been scientifically disproven.

The literal reading or the symbolic reading? Seems to me that someone who never had a science cource somehow got the basic chronology correct 3000 years ago. Since then, some other people have been inserting 'details' between the lines. Those details are usually wrong.

43 posted on 12/29/2001 12:12:43 AM PST by Ditto
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To: Starmaker
I wrote this earlier when Chuck Morse posted his essay.

Reading Peikoff I don’t find him sneering at Christian’s but merely acknowledging reality. The commercial part of Christmas has eclipsed the religious celebration as demonstrated by where most Americans spend their time, money and energy. Compare the amount of ink used or thought put into Christmas trees, light displays, shopping for presents and all of the other secular parts of Christmas; as opposed to nativity scenes, religious services and thoughts about the birth of Christ.

Extreme atheism: extreme is an adjective that adds nothing to atheism. You are either an atheist or not just as you are either a theist or not; you can’t be any more or any less of an atheist.

Claiming Creation theory is more rational than evolution theory is wrong. While it is true that evolution as a complete theory is lacking in certain areas, it still is a simpler and therefore more likely explanation of the origin of the universe. If God exits he would have to be greater and more complex than that which he created. Theists believe that God somehow came into existence, which would be even less likely than that a less complex Universe happened on its own. You can’t arrive at a belief in God through a rational process; it requires faith.

I would have to agree with you about many of our current Socialist intellectual leaders desiring the sacrifice of others. But there are also Pastors that profess Christ while demanding sacrifice on the part of their congregation; sacrifice that in reality ends up benefiting primarily the church leaders.

To call the vision utopian is mistaken. Utopian requires a belief in the perfectibility of mankind. Ayn Rand laid out an idealized vision of man’s potential but I find no evidence that she expected many would live up to it. Until all men are perfect you can never create utopia and to try will always result in catastrophe. The best we can do is try to move things in a better direction.

To claim that an accurate historical description of the true origin of the Christmas holiday some how venerates paganism is wrong. If any one venerates paganism it is those that worship the holiday as a historical reality.

To end with a parting cheap shot about Ayn Rand being influenced by a socialist upbringing is beneath you. I enjoyed your little essay but I am sure with a little time you could have improved the title.

44 posted on 12/29/2001 12:12:43 AM PST by Objectivism USA
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To: Paleo Conservative
There are numerous examples of evolution that have been documented especially among bacteria, viruses, and insects. The phenomenon of antibiotic resistance is a documented case of evolution. Resistance to antiviral drugs by the AIDS virus is another, and resistance to pesticides by mosquitos and other insects also confirm the theory. Given the vast amount of time the Earth has existed (4.6 billion years) there is more than ample time to explain the diversity of life that is observed.

Good points. These are good examples of changes made by a specific species to survive to a specific selecetive pressure(s). However, none of the examples that you gave give any support to the large phylogenic leaps that would be necessary to give rise to all of the diversity we see today. One has to assume that these small changes could have possibly brought about larger changes. In the end, none of these examples lends any real support to phylogenesis.

45 posted on 12/29/2001 12:12:57 AM PST by realpatriot71
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To: Physicist
I don't want to get into an argument; I don't plan to reply (although I can't guarantee that I won't); I don't expect to convince you, or you to convince me, but may I please ask, in a nutshell, what part of "creation, as outlined in the Bible," has been "scientifically disproven"? Just for my info, so I'll have a better idea of what the other side believes. Thanks!
46 posted on 12/29/2001 12:12:58 AM PST by allthingsnew
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To: Starmaker
I have read and re-read most of Ayn Rand's works. I think she's a great thinker and I have adopted much of her philosophy. Perhaps the greatest contribution she has made to my life was to free me from worrying about what others thought about me. Now I can be totally honest with people with how I think without feeling any guilt. But she had some flaws in her character and philosophy as well. After all, she is human too. Thus I find those in her inner circle ("The Collective") such as Peikoff to be sort of creepy because they are so slavishly devoted to her and her philosophy that they seem to have no minds of their own. BTW, Alan Greenspan was a member of "The Collective" as well. Not many are aware of that.
47 posted on 12/29/2001 12:13:01 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Physicist
"I reject creation, as outlined in the Bible, because it has been scientifically disproven" Can you enlighten us since I don't remember the news of the discovery of the missing link? Thanks, Dobbyman
48 posted on 12/29/2001 12:13:02 AM PST by dobbyman
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To: Physicist
"I reject creation, as outlined in the Bible, because it has been scientifically disproven."

And I reject faithless scientists who spend their days spewing the meaningless words of fellow heathens.

Perhaps they can trace their lineage to some puddle of mud or a tree swining primate, but I was created by God in His image and likeness.

Dust in the wind
All you are is dust in the wind...

49 posted on 12/29/2001 12:13:05 AM PST by Jethro Tull
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To: Jethro Tull
swining = swinging
50 posted on 12/29/2001 12:13:06 AM PST by Jethro Tull
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To: Ditto
Seems to me that someone who never had a science cource somehow got the basic chronology correct 3000 years ago. Since then, some other people have been inserting 'details' between the lines.

The Bible says that grasses and trees existed before the sun did. That is not remotely correct.

51 posted on 12/29/2001 12:13:15 AM PST by Physicist
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To: SamAdams76
everything you said--exactly correct!
52 posted on 12/29/2001 12:13:15 AM PST by cgbg
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To: Physicist
The Bible says that grasses and trees existed before the sun did.

It does? Where?

53 posted on 12/29/2001 12:13:22 AM PST by Ditto
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To: Gurn
read some C.S. Lewis

Interestingly C.S. Lewis and Ayn Rand had two important things in common--they both were major intellectual leaders of their respective views and in person they were both extremely arrogant and difficult.

Lots of smart people are that way, I guess--except me of course. ;-)
54 posted on 12/29/2001 12:13:22 AM PST by cgbg
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To: Starmaker
Atlas Dined: An Ayn Rand Spoof by Huck
55 posted on 12/29/2001 12:13:24 AM PST by Huck
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To: antienvironmentalist
Miracles are illogical fantasies that religious people use to explain their beliefs where logic falls short.

I logically conclude that miracles are simple, logical, manipulations of energy presently not known nor fully understood by man. The reason that the agnostic discredits some things that were once considered miracles is because they are now logically understood. Miracles are logical. To understand a miracle logically, is a miracle.

Both the agnostic and the believer discover miracles by the same method, faith. My religious fantasies can be observed logically without contradiction. That man may not logically understand a miracle, is man's limitation. With God all things are possible, simply because He knows just a few more logical applications that we have not yet discovered.

56 posted on 12/29/2001 12:13:28 AM PST by scottiewottie
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To: Starmaker
The Objectivists hold to the irrational theory of evolution which is that man somehow evolved from the primordial ooze. They dismiss as a superstition the more rational idea, in my opinion, that the creation of life, with all of its incredible facets, had to involve a supernatural and divine aspect.

I have long wondered why these two concepts are mutually exclusive. Anyone willing to entertain the possibility that a supernatural and divine aspect was the catalyst for man emerging from the 'ooze'?

57 posted on 12/29/2001 12:13:30 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: Ditto
Grasses and trees, third day.
Sun and moon lighting the earth, fourth day.
58 posted on 12/29/2001 12:13:30 AM PST by scottiewottie
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To: Huck
That is some great parody!!

Huck BUMP!

60 posted on 12/29/2001 12:13:42 AM PST by scottiewottie
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