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To: Pokey78
Where Jews are modern, urban and scientific, Arabs are feudal, rural and romantic. Jews wear homburgs; Arabs wear flowing robes and head-dresses. Jews are famously 'in trade'; Arabs are just as famously hopeless at economic creativity: they have oil, but require foreigners to extract it and refine it. A backward culture that loves dressing up and places no value on professional activity will always appeal to a segment of the English elite.

In general, I support Israel's right to defend itself. That said, this supporting premise is racist tripe. Here in Silicon Valley we have thousands of Arab and Muslim programmers, engineers, scientists, and businesspeople making a real contribution to technology. These people are not dumb, nor are they culturally illiterate. They are in general, better educated than Americans (which isn't saying much). His assertion is condescending garbage.

26 posted on 12/27/2001 8:53:18 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
"Here in Silicon Valley we have thousands of Arab and Muslim programmers, engineers, scientists, and businesspeople making a real contribution to technology"

I support your position that Arabs are not dumb or, in general, culturally backward. However, the Arab and Muslim programmers, engineers, scientists and businesspeople you refer to are in the United States, a free country, and not living in Mideastern Islamic states.

Islamic states are not free, and the flower of creativity and individualism no longer blooms in those countries. If, at some point, an Islamic state decides to turn into one with a representational government, with the same basic freedoms we enjoy in the US, then those countries will progress. Heck, there aren't even public opinion polls about the leaders of these states.

There have been no great achievements in any of those countries in centuries. The reason os not ethnicity or religion. The reason is lack of freedom. It's hard to progress when your leaders keep you ground into the dirt under their bootheel, while hoarding oil money.

37 posted on 12/27/2001 9:13:04 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Carry_Okie
That said, this supporting premise is racist tripe. Here in Silicon Valley we have thousands of Arab and Muslim programmers, engineers, scientists, and businesspeople making a real contribution to technology. These people are not dumb, nor are they culturally illiterate. They are in general, better educated than Americans (which isn't saying much).

The doctors from Arab countries at the hospital I work at are likewise quite good. But you note these people left the Arab nations to make their contribution. I would bet that most got at least their graduate degrees at American (or Canadian) universities.

38 posted on 12/27/2001 9:13:39 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Carry_Okie
"Where Jews are modern, urban and scientific, Arabs are feudal, rural and romantic. Jews wear homburgs; Arabs wear flowing robes and head-dresses. Jews are famously 'in trade'; Arabs are just as famously hopeless at economic creativity: they have oil, but require foreigners to extract it and refine it. A backward culture that loves dressing up and places no value on professional activity will always appeal to a segment of the English elite."

Anyone else note that this sounds oddly like the divide between the American North and South that led to the Civil War?

40 posted on 12/27/2001 9:15:15 AM PST by rdww
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To: Carry_Okie
When this sentence is put back, that paragraph takes on a new meaning.:

This is perfectly understandable: a certain type of Englishman looks at an Arab and sees a desert version of his most cherished self-delusions. Where Jews are modern, urban and scientific, Arabs are feudal, rural and romantic.

The paragraph refers to the Englishman's self delusion, not the actual differences between Jews and Arabs.

53 posted on 12/27/2001 9:42:48 AM PST by Oschisms
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To: Carry_Okie
Here in Silicon Valley we have thousands of Arab and Muslim programmers, engineers, scientists, and businesspeople making a real contribution to technology. These people are not dumb, nor are they culturally illiterate.

It's the ancient story: when a society goes sufficiently toxic, the good people leave, and things go from bad to worse at home.

58 posted on 12/27/2001 9:52:49 AM PST by sphinx
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To: Carry_Okie
"Here in Silicon Valley we have thousands of Arab and Muslim programmers, engineers, scientists, and businesspeople making a real contribution to technology. These people are not dumb, nor are they culturally illiterate."

Then the question needs to be asked; Why when foreigners attend American universities do they for the most part, not return to their native countries when completing their degrees? Why are they contributing to the United States technolocical advances and not that of their native country? I have had the opportunity to work and know many well educated, smart and culturally literate foreigners.

80 posted on 12/27/2001 10:34:20 AM PST by WIMom
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To: Carry_Okie
making a real contribution to technology.

And some of them fly planes into buildings while their buddies on the ground celebrate. The Nazis were great technicians as well.

81 posted on 12/27/2001 10:34:22 AM PST by BenF
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To: Carry_Okie
They are in general, better educated than Americans (which isn't saying much). His assertion is condescending garbage

And they live in America. Show me the Arab/Moslem country where this is true.

116 posted on 12/27/2001 12:19:43 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: Carry_Okie
His assertion is condescending garbage.

I'd say it's typical ethnocentric self-congratulating racist garbage. Any objective person will realize that the article stinks.

122 posted on 12/27/2001 12:43:58 PM PST by madrussian
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To: Carry_Okie
It isn't genetic it is cultural. That is why the people you spoke of are here in America being successful. Those who adopt our culture generally succeed. It is the Arab culture that is backward and nonproductive. Culture is the slave master that impoverishes so many around the world not genetics. To denounce and expose these cultures for what they are is not racist.

The truly sad thing is that people come to America to escape the corruption and destitution of their native countries, which is the result of their very culture, only to attempt to recreate that culture here…

193 posted on 12/29/2001 12:19:26 AM PST by DB
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