Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: nopardons
"Okay, let's see ... dope, prostitution, gambling,open borders, and abortion, are ALL things that the LP nd the GREENS, and the DEMS agree about."

This shows how completely blind you are. If the Democrats didn't ALSO share the Republicans' desire to completely ignore the Constitution by continuing the federal War on Some Drugs, we wouldn't HAVE any federal drug laws! The Democrats are with Republicans on drugs. Damn the Constitution, full speed ahead in the war on drugs. (Which shows how completely bogus Republicans' pretending to care about The Law really is. They ROUTINELY completely shred the Supreme Law of the Land.)

I also defy you to show me ANYTHING in the Democratic or Green party platforms that indicates that indicate that the Democratic or Green parties support legalized prostitution or gambling (unless the gambling is run by the government, of course!). You won't find anything.

Like I wrote before, there's really one fundamental difference between the Libertarian Party and the Green, Replican and Democratic parties...the LP supports Small Government, and Republicans, Democrats, and Greens support Big Government.

"The privatization of ALL roads and publicly held land, , espoused by the LP, is SO far off the edge, that it is abjured by everyone else."

The Constitution is absolutely crystal clear on this issue: the federal government absolutely can NOT own land outside of the District of Columbia and military bases ("forts"). Of course, Republicans completely ignore the Constitution in this regard, as they have THROUGHOUT THEIR ENTIRE HISTORY.

What you're saying is that Libertarians think the federal government should follow the Constitution, and no one else does. Tell me something I don't already know. :-/

"The LP free market / isolationist..."

Not "isolationist." "Non-interventionist." Big difference. Libertarians are, in fact, less isolationist than Republicans, Democrats, and Greens. Libertarians support eliminating immigration limits. Republicans, Democrats, and Greens don't support that.

"To continually claim that the DEMs and the GOPs are the same, or only minimally different, is the cry of..."

...someone who actually knows what the Constitution says, and thinks the federal government ought to FOLLOW it!

"WE did NOT get here , all in one fell swoop, and incrimentalism, is the ONLY way to extricate / reverse those Socialist / BIG GOVERNMENT things..."

You're a fool if you think the Republican Party will EVER attempt to restore Small Government (i.e., a federal government that follows the Constitution). Republicans have held either the Congress or the Presidency (or both!) for all the time that the federal government has been expanding. Do Republicans actually support eliminating the Department of Education? No, they support EXPANDING the Department of Education! Do they support eliminating the Department of the Interior, the Department of Agriculture, the Department of Commerce, the Department of Energy, the Department of Health and Human services? Of course not!

If you think Republicans are at all interested in Small Government, you need to grow up, and read up. And if YOU'RE interested in Small Government, you certainly don't show it if you vote for Republicans. (With the exception of Ron Paul.)

"Don't lecture those of us who are actually politically aware, CONSERVATIVE, and have been working on turning the tide,..."

Bullshit. Conservatives, by and large, aren't interested in Small Government. They haven't been since the New Deal.

292 posted on 12/29/2001 7:48:05 AM PST by Mark Bahner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 290 | View Replies ]


To: Mark Bahner
If you knew even 1/1,000 th., of what you imagine that you do, your replies MIGHT make some sense. As it is, you have now brought DOPE into the mix, and reinforced the concept that legalizing dope, is the true, SOLE , iny interest of Libertarians. LOL

Okay, though I am utterly bored by you people, who don't know historical facts, ignore consequences / can't imagine what they woud be, based on previous history and human nature, and live in your own, tiny, imagined world , I'll repect just a very few incontrovertible FACTS ; just for YOU. : - )

No matter what Libertarians seem to think, NO EMPIRE, NO NATION, NO STATE, NO COMMUNITY, NO TRIBE, NO FAMILY has EVER functioned WITHOUT moral / vice laws. NONE ! A live and let live policy, results in chaos and problems for everyone. Mankind doesn't change, only technology changes.

If you just take European colonies, in America, prior to there even being a unified set of colonies, those in charge, had moral / vice laws, ruled with an iron fist, and did things that would make you shudder. Facts have a nasty way of destroying assumed positions.

All acts have connsequences. One person's actios, DO really have a ripple effect upon many others, whether they like it or not. The Constitution provides for both House to make the laws of the land. The president can veto any Act or Bill. Vetos CAN be overturned, but I hope that you knw all this stuff , as well as what it takes for the Supreme Court to do what they have been granted the power to do . Since .Article 4, Section 2, Clause 1 states that : " The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states ." , the legalization of dope, in one state, would make it legal ( or at the least , throw all into a quandry ! ) in ALL of the others. This is the crux of the matter, regarding same sex marriage being made " legal " in one state. So, there goes the " STATES RIGHTS " issue .

Prior to the PURE FOOD AND DRUG ACTS , the free market did less than NOTHING, to protect the populace from tainted meat, adulterated butter, or watered down milk. Neither did it protect them from the effects fro patent medicine, or the abuse of certain narcotics, opiates, and alcohol. The PREAMBLE, to the CONSTITUTION contains the following : " promote the general welfare." These few words, gave the government the power, to that which would benefit / protect EVERYONE ; even IF that meant that some people's personal " pursuit of happiness " ( doing dope ) , is curtailed / infringed upon.

People have the " RIGHT " to try to either ammend the Constiution or try to repeal what is in it. Until EITHER of those things happen, the law is the law, the government has the right and duty to enforce the law, and complaining about one thng, or another, on an internet site, does absolutely NOTHING at all, to change anything.

Prior to the CIVIL WAR, the Abolutionists, said that America's alcoholism was a far LARGER problem than slavery was. American, from colonial times was known as THE worst country, when it came to public drunkeness, and abuse of alcohol. That only grew worse. Recreational dope usage was NOT common then, nor even possible ; opium was unknown here, heroin didn't exist, crack, crank, SPEED, PCP, EXTASY ( or however dopers spell it ) , and a whole host of other things were NOT available . When they did become available, and the cultural changes occurred ( by omission of knowledge, as in the FIRST wave of addicts , or by comission, in the 1960's ) the government had an OBLIGATION , given it by the CONSTITUTION, to " promote the general welfare ", and THAT is exactly what it HAS tried to do.

Prohibition , no matter WHAT spurious things you care to CCP or quote , DID cut the alcohol consuption, of the populace of the USA, way down. The PURE FOOD & DRUGS ACTS, did indeed stop the cause of indirect / unintentioal alcoholism / dope addiction from patent medicines, such as Lydia Pinkham's . This benefitted the entire nation.

Republicans have ALWAYS wanted " smaller government ", lower taxation, and ALL of the " good " stuff , which the LP purloined from the GOP ; now irrationally claim as the LP's sole provenance . If ANYONE is " blind " ; it is the LP, and Libertarians !

One may have a full plate of wishes ; getting those wishes into the realm of reality , takes patience, understanding, and fighting against the tide of propaganda, apathy , and the DEMs ! Political naivete, delusions, and abject lack of historical / political knowledge will only frustrate the fulfillment of those desires. WE LIVE IN A REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC ! Libertarian rule will ONLY become maifest, at the point of a gun / revolution / coup , which will NEVER happen !

295 posted on 12/29/2001 12:28:47 PM PST by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 292 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson