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To: Mark Bahner
I don't have to be a Libertrian, in order to know just exactly WHAT the LP platform states, and what FR's Libertarians claim to believe in. Unlike YOU, I am NOT blinded by assumed, " feel superior ", propaganda, of a fringe subset, that will NEVER have an elected president, Denator, nor Congressman, in your lifetime. NO, Rom Paul does NOT count ! He can't get elected , as a Libertarian, as dog catcher; let alone anything else . He's a RINO, who has NO effect, whatsoever.

Okay, let's see ... dope, prostitution, gambling,open borders, and abortion, are ALL things that the LP nd the GREENS, and the DEMS agree about. The GOP disagrees with the afroementioned, on every point.

The Consitution Party, is even an SMALLER group, fringe of the fringe of the FRINGE, than the LP is. Combined, they don't even come lose to 1/2 of a percent.

The privatization of ALL roads and publicly held land, , espoused by the LP, is SO far off the edge, that it is abjured by everyone else.

The LP free market / isolationist , diametrically opposed positions, is insane, unworkable, and silly.

To continually claim that the DEMs and the GOPs are the same, or only minimally different, is the cry of the political naif; one who lives in fantasy. Libertarians, here, claim to waht what they want it, when they want it; which is immediately. WE did NOT get here , all in one fell swoop, and incrimentalism, is the ONLY way to extricate / reverse those Socialist / BIG GOVERNMENT things, which have s---l---o---w---l---y been imposed on this country, over the past 80 + years.

Don't lecture those of us who are actually politically aware, CONSERVATIVE, and have been working on turning the tide, for more decades, than you have been alive. When Libertarans finally admit that actions have consequences, and that most of the tme, those consequence are NOT the ones they imagie that they might be, I'll start taking them seriously. Until then, I and the majority of the rest of the nation, will know the for what they are.

LIBERTARIANS SEE A 1/2 FULL / EMPTY GLASS, AS EMPTY !

290 posted on 12/29/2001 12:18:37 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
"Okay, let's see ... dope, prostitution, gambling,open borders, and abortion, are ALL things that the LP nd the GREENS, and the DEMS agree about."

This shows how completely blind you are. If the Democrats didn't ALSO share the Republicans' desire to completely ignore the Constitution by continuing the federal War on Some Drugs, we wouldn't HAVE any federal drug laws! The Democrats are with Republicans on drugs. Damn the Constitution, full speed ahead in the war on drugs. (Which shows how completely bogus Republicans' pretending to care about The Law really is. They ROUTINELY completely shred the Supreme Law of the Land.)

I also defy you to show me ANYTHING in the Democratic or Green party platforms that indicates that indicate that the Democratic or Green parties support legalized prostitution or gambling (unless the gambling is run by the government, of course!). You won't find anything.

Like I wrote before, there's really one fundamental difference between the Libertarian Party and the Green, Replican and Democratic parties...the LP supports Small Government, and Republicans, Democrats, and Greens support Big Government.

"The privatization of ALL roads and publicly held land, , espoused by the LP, is SO far off the edge, that it is abjured by everyone else."

The Constitution is absolutely crystal clear on this issue: the federal government absolutely can NOT own land outside of the District of Columbia and military bases ("forts"). Of course, Republicans completely ignore the Constitution in this regard, as they have THROUGHOUT THEIR ENTIRE HISTORY.

What you're saying is that Libertarians think the federal government should follow the Constitution, and no one else does. Tell me something I don't already know. :-/

"The LP free market / isolationist..."

Not "isolationist." "Non-interventionist." Big difference. Libertarians are, in fact, less isolationist than Republicans, Democrats, and Greens. Libertarians support eliminating immigration limits. Republicans, Democrats, and Greens don't support that.

"To continually claim that the DEMs and the GOPs are the same, or only minimally different, is the cry of..."

...someone who actually knows what the Constitution says, and thinks the federal government ought to FOLLOW it!

"WE did NOT get here , all in one fell swoop, and incrimentalism, is the ONLY way to extricate / reverse those Socialist / BIG GOVERNMENT things..."

You're a fool if you think the Republican Party will EVER attempt to restore Small Government (i.e., a federal government that follows the Constitution). Republicans have held either the Congress or the Presidency (or both!) for all the time that the federal government has been expanding. Do Republicans actually support eliminating the Department of Education? No, they support EXPANDING the Department of Education! Do they support eliminating the Department of the Interior, the Department of Agriculture, the Department of Commerce, the Department of Energy, the Department of Health and Human services? Of course not!

If you think Republicans are at all interested in Small Government, you need to grow up, and read up. And if YOU'RE interested in Small Government, you certainly don't show it if you vote for Republicans. (With the exception of Ron Paul.)

"Don't lecture those of us who are actually politically aware, CONSERVATIVE, and have been working on turning the tide,..."

Bullshit. Conservatives, by and large, aren't interested in Small Government. They haven't been since the New Deal.

292 posted on 12/29/2001 7:48:05 AM PST by Mark Bahner
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