Private schools, are under NO obligation, to take ill qualified applicants. The good ones, are far too expensive , even with NO taxation, for those in public school to attend. Private schools know exactly how many studenst will be attending their school, come the start of the school year, and have NO openings, for displaced public school kids. Your theorizing / speculations ; therefore, are not only from a totally ignorant position, but incorrect at EVERY step of the way.
The close of every public school, without warning, would not only engender utter chaos, as far as the children are concerned, it would also cause a serious ecconomic problem. It takes longer, to find a building, hire teachers, buy supplies ( you STILL haven't said where THAT money would come from ! ) , and sign up students, than you suspect. A free market is NO answer to the question. You aren't familar with schools, teaching methods, nor the opperation of schools. Even IF It would only take a few months ( doubtful ) , the displaced public school children would be in limbo. Don't, for a moment, believe that all of the parents would home school those children. Unfortunately, quite a number of the effected parents, n matter WHAT you say about those now being home schooled, would be incapable of dealing with doing that. Remember, there are NOT motivated to do it now; they wouldn't be motivated to do so in this hypothetical case.
The fired teachers, would be EXACTLY those, who would be again teaching in the new schools. I doubt that YOU will quit your present job, and teach them. So, even WITH a free market ( and I am a free marekteer ) , this is a zero sum game, and a straw man argument from you.
What would I do to fix public education ? Go back to the way it was , from 1900 through 1940 . Throw out All of the programs, ow extant in education departments, and reintroduce Normal School methodology. Burn ALL of the current math, English, and history texts, and use the ones, from the above era. Remove EVERY " diversity progran, ALL " touchy / feely " crap , and reintroduce geography, and history ( as TWO distinct classes ) , bring back the teaching of economics, at the high school level, AND the GREAT BOOKS series. No more " HEATHER HAS TWO MOMMIES", at all.
Use ONLY English emmertion classes, and close EVERY ESL program down completely. Uncouple the mainstreaming programs, and get the emotionally disturbed, extremely disabled, and the menally retarded OUT of every school, and every classroom. Put those children back into highly specialized schools of their own.
Reintroduce being left back, skipping, doing three years of middle school, in two, and put back into place the OLD birthday cut offs. Little boys, are now being held back, for NO reason , except that the kindergarten and first grade teachers, are ill prepared to handle them, now.
I'd also get rid of the UNIONS; however , that can't be done in any legal maner.
IN the " bad old days ", and yes, they were NOT as " good " as those who know only fantasy history think they were , there were many problem schools, and problem children. Most of them were in rural areas, NOT in big cities; surprisingly enough.
Now, about FR. In certain circumstances, yes, this IS very much an " old boys / girls " place. The reason for that is, most newbies no longer take the time to read the archieves anymore, just read the threads, and get to know who is who, and what is what BEFORE they throw themselves into posting. Newbies now accuse other posters of believing something that they don't / being what they aren't, without any justification. They ( YOU ) are also far ruder , when replying, than most " oldtimers " are; though, when trashed, they ( I ) will give back in kind.
And nopardons spoke, and it was so. I'm not doubting that you're well informed on this issue, you surely seem to be. But much of what we've been talking about is speculation (i.e. what would happen if.....) and my responding to your speculation with speculation makes for two different points of view, of speculation.
Private schools, are under NO obligation, to take ill qualified applicants. The good ones, are far too expensive , even with NO taxation, for those in public school to attend. Private schools know exactly how many studenst will be attending their school, come the start of the school year, and have NO openings, for displaced public school kids. Your theorizing / speculations ; therefore, are not only from a totally ignorant position, but incorrect at EVERY step of the way.
This all assumes the market would not adjust to the new situation, that prices would not change, and that no new schools would come up to fill the demand. Like I said before, neither you nor I know how the market would respond.
The close of every public school, without warning, would not only engender utter chaos, as far as the children are concerned, it would also cause a serious ecconomic problem.
And maybe you're right after all, nopardons. When in any of my previous posts did I advocate closing without warning, effective tomorrow? I agreed up front that this is an implementation problem and that the system might be best changed over gradually. I then asked for suggestions and I kept getting statements suggesting that we're all going to die.
In fact, I would guess that the majority of libertarians might agree that you can't do it suddenly. In any case, this does not speak against a free market - this is an implementation problem.
I doubt that YOU will quit your present job, and teach them. So, even WITH a free market ( and I am a free marekteer ) , this is a zero sum game, and a straw man argument from you.
You have no idea what I might be willing to do. Don't forget part time options. There are many cases where people are willing to teach, are overqualified, but are not allowed to teach because they're not certified teachers. This can be blamed on the unions, which you correctly identify as a problem in your previoius response. The way to take them out is to take out the guaranteed tax funds that feed them. This is why they vigorously oppose programs such as the tax credit for private schools, which I contribute to every year.
A friend of mine recently volunteered to teach a high school class part time over the summer. He really worked at it, did a damn good job, and had math skills far better than most high school math teachers. I think there are a lot of people like him.
What would I do to fix public education ? Go back to the way it was , from 1900 through 1940 .
These are all good suggestions and I think they'd be a good start. I'd also get rid of the UNIONS; however , that can't be done in any legal maner.
Take away their money and they lose their power.
IN the " bad old days ", and yes, they were NOT as " good " as those who know only fantasy history think they were , there were many problem schools, and problem children. Most of them were in rural areas, NOT in big cities; surprisingly enough.
I was hoping for some more detail here. When did the public school system as we know it today begin, and what was life like before public schools?
Newbies now accuse other posters of believing something that they don't / being what they aren't, without any justification. They ( YOU ) are also far ruder , when replying, than most " oldtimers " are; though, when trashed, they ( I ) will give back in kind.
I put up no straw mans, nor have I been rude in replying to you. I do see repeated statements of my ignorance from YOU, however.
Have faith in freedom! You advocate your position with the same uncompromising zeal as the NEA representatives and change-oriented (OBE) advocates I've debated on these very matters. It's the Big-Enders v. the Little-Enders fight.
They say school choice will be a disaster for public education; so do you. It's strange.
An approach that enables individuals and organizations to establish new schools, without red tape, government licensing, and bureaucratic friction (I do not beleive that it is a slight intention of Libertarians to "outlaw" puplic schools) will simply cause the public schools to "whither on the vine" ; unless , of course, they become more desirable to the consumer.