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To: super175
>>but the American soldier WAS tried in a Japanese court. The case is still ongoing as far as I know.

But the GI who killed a Taiwanese in 1950's was NOT tried in Taiwan.

>>In any case, despite that, why should America allow someone to go into a trial without proper proceedings taking place?

Different countries have different laws and proceedings. You don't expect others always do things your way.

>>If a white person, or just any American for that matter, went to court in China, he is guilty because he is white.

Who told you that? There are hundreds of thousands "whites" in China.

>>Being white, or American is evidence enough that you did something wrong.

Sounds like a racist.

>>On the other hand, when assurances are made for fair and unbaised proceedings, which China has none other than some arbitrary I-think-you-are-guilty system, I think America has and will allow people to stand trial where-ever they may be.

Baised or not, it's Chinese law. All people, Chinese citizens or foreingers should be all equal before the law. If Chinese are tried in this way, why should foreingers be tried differently?

>>You make it sound as though the US military controls the Japanese government. The Japanese people are in charge of Japan. If you don't think so, why are they voting, or having elections?

The Japanese constitution was written by the US military aftre WWII. They could even control their constitution.

>>Truth is the world hates China and has hated them because of Mao and the CCP.

The world has no reason to hate Mao and the CCP more than many Chinese do. It was Chinese who sufferred most from their mistakes.

>>America refused all recognition of Mao and the CCP for 30 years,

America insolated China and its 1.3 billion population from the world for 30 years. Do you think Chinese should thank the US for doing that?

>>Go ahead and name some countries that respect China.

I would say most developing countries respect China, right?

>>I am curious. Exactly what kind of "independence" do you as a Chinese want?

What China wants is to be treated equally and fairly in the world and has the right to keep its own way of life and culture.

>>"Independence" means China rules all of Asia and calls all the shots, and if you don't like that "shot" then you are an enemy of "China". Feudal thinking at best.

No. China only wants the right for development. In the past 100 years China has lost a great amount of land to foreign powers. Why shouldn't China protect itself when it's getting strong?

>>China is still isolationist in its ideologies and mindset. In a modern world, "China" cannot exist by itself as those other old empires did in the past.

China doesn't want to be isolated. Instead the foreing powers are trying to isolate China from the world again.

12 posted on 12/23/2001 9:40:06 PM PST by Lake
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To: Lake
Different countries have different laws and proceedings. You don't expect others always do things your way.

Who told you that? There are hundreds of thousands "whites" in China.

I know. And how many opt for anything within the legal system of China? especially given the fact that the 'testimony' of an America won't be given as much weight as the one of a Chinese...

Also in China they can make up post-facto laws and put you in jail for that. Yesterday it wasn't illegal, but after you did it, we don't like it now, so now it is illegal therefore we sentence you to 20 yrs....

Do you think the CCP will ever find themselves guilty of anything? Its not just between westerners and Chinese. Quite often Chinese themselves can't get a fair trial nor a fair deal from their own government.

Chinese law #1. The CCP is ALWAYS right.

Baised or not, it's Chinese law.

See Chinese law #1. What if there was a big trial about the EP3 in China? What if Americans showed up with irrefutable evidence that says Wang Wei did wrong... Do you think the CCP would allow that? Not a chance...

All people, Chinese citizens or foreingers should be all equal before the law. If Chinese are tried in this way, why should foreingers be tried differently?

China has no standard law system. It sounds like you are one of those reformer types. If they want to move to a system of law over the feudal system still in place, then be my guest. I would welcome that, but a real system of law changes some Chinese culture. Confucian leaders don't like being held accountable.

The Japanese constitution was written by the US military aftre WWII.

So what. It laid a foundation to build a new society that is fair for everyone. There was a clash of systems. Japan had a feudal monarchy kind of like China has now, and when the war was over we came up with a way that in the end benefits Japanese people most. How else do you propose that we deal with that? If it was a Chinese, they would say "just kill all the Japanese, to heck with reform."

The world has no reason to hate Mao and the CCP more than many Chinese do. It was Chinese who sufferred most from their mistakes.

America insolated China and its 1.3 billion population from the world for 30 years. Do you think Chinese should thank the US for doing that?

You kind of just answered your own question... So whose side was America really on? By not recognizing Mao and his regime...? What China wants is to be treated equally and fairly in the world and has the right to keep its own way of life and culture.

And what culture is that? A feudal dicatorship? A Maoist dream? Have you ever had an America force you to stop using chopsticks? Or speaking Chinese? or watching Beijing Opera?

"Culture" is one of the good things about China. The historical "political culture" though is not. The CCP wants to preserve its "political culture" and the way things have been done for the last 2000 years. THAT is the only culture they care about. They are some arbitrary feudal confucian leaders who abuse their posts and think they have Tian Ming.

13 posted on 12/24/2001 6:43:22 AM PST by super175
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