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To: FITZ
"A Muslim who believes in the Koran and Islamic law cannot believe in personal freedoms. They don't believe in separation of church and state, the religion of Islam and the government are one. Islamic law regulates all public and private behavior including personal hygiene, diet, sexual conduct, and child rearing."

I don't know much about the Koran (or Islamic law, for that matter). But my understanding of Islam is that everything is supposed to be voluntary. In other words, my understanding of the Koran is that one can believe in the Koran, and still think that everything that it teaches should be followed--or not followed--voluntarily.

What in the world gave you the idea that Mr. Abu-Ghazali wants to institute Islamic law, by the way?

"If he's really a Libertarian, then he doesn't believe in the Koran or Islam."

Based on what *I* know of the Koran and Islam--which I admit is limited--I don't think this statement is true.

Based on what I know of Islamic law, I agree completely agree that Islamic law is completely incompatible with liberarianism. Just as the laws of the United States, instituted by Republicans and Democrats, are completely incompatible with libertarianism! But, as I wrote before, what gives you the idea that Mr. Abu-Ghazali wants to institute Islamic law?

Mark (Libertarian)

35 posted on 01/04/2002 4:30:23 AM PST by Mark Bahner
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To: Mark Bahner
I don't see many Islamic countries where tolerance for others is permitted or individual freedom is allowed at all. The Koran is quite specific on what is to be done with Christians and Jews and other infidels. The Koran directs Muslims to place a tax on Christians. Only one majority Muslim country has any tolerance at all ---Turkey and only because the government controls Islam.

I just don't see how someone can believe in the Koran and it's exact opposite at the same time. I think Christians, Jews, and atheists can be libertarians because there is a concept of separation of Church and State in those religions. The US Constitution was designed by people from Christian countries and that wasn't accidental because only Judeo-Christian beliefs would led to the belief in rights given to man by their Creator.

37 posted on 01/04/2002 5:46:36 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Mark Bahner
Equating US laws with the Sha'ria is one of the most ignorant statements anyone could possibly make.

You do know how the Sha'ria was derived don't you? It was a bunch of religious leaders over several hundred years reviewing cases at law and then asking them selves how Mohammed and his disciples would have decided the case and what principles were involved.

There was no element of deliberation - just guessing at the "feelings" of a bunch of guys long dead.

This eventually led Islam to a point of philosophical collapse. That's where it's at today.

60 posted on 01/04/2002 9:41:44 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Mark Bahner
NO, you don't know much about Islam or Sharia - Muslim law. There is absolutely nothing I repeat nothing voluntary about being a believer in mohamed. Wherever and whenever muslims have invaded or usurped power anywhere they have either eliminated those who are not Muslims or forced them to convert under pain of death or allowed them to live as second class oppressed people who are at the mercy of violent outbursts ignored by Muslim authorities.

This guy how says he is an Arab American is either a Christian Arab or is fooling with Libertarian heads and that is pretty easy to do.

68 posted on 01/04/2002 9:58:40 AM PST by eleni121
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