Posted on 12/22/2001 8:04:02 AM PST by tpaine
We ain't no stinkin' Republicans. Throughout its entire history, from its very foundation with Abraham Lincoln, the Republican party has been the party of Big Government. We Libertarians are the ONLY party of the limited government envisioned by many of this country's founders.
Mark (Libertarian, ex-Republican)
No, THAT was one of the most ignorant statements anyone could possibly make. Go bad to grade school, and learn some math and/or English. I said that Sha'ria law wasn't libertarian. And I said (absolutely correctly) that U.S. laws were certainly not libertarian, either. That most certainly does NOT equate U.S. laws with Sha'ria law. If A does not equal B, and A does not equal C, that most certainly does NOT mean that B equals C.
Of course, you probably don't undertand algebra, so I'll put this way: If libertarian laws were a "100", Sha'ria laws might be a 1, and current U.S. laws might be a 20. That most certainly does NOT mean that 20 is equal to 1.
"You do know how the Sha'ria was derived don't you? It was a bunch of religious leaders over several hundred years reviewing cases at law and then asking them selves how Mohammed and his disciples would have decided the case and what principles were involved."
That was my impression of the origin of Sha'ria law, also.
"This eventually led Islam to a point of philosophical collapse. That's where it's at today."
Not really, because the majority of Muslims aren't interested in living under Sha'ria law...as the majority of U.S. citizens aren't interested in living under the laws of the Puritans.
In fact, here in Virginia, I don't think there was even a Congregational Church in the state until recent times - maybe you have some.
Precision in language is very important, particularly if you are a Libertarian because there are a gadzillion of us non-Libertarians out there ready to call you to account for imprecision.
Yes, that's not at all incompatible with, or contradictory to, my point that there is no evidence that a majority of Muslims wish to live under Sha'ria law.
It has been suggested in this thread that Maad Abu-Ghazali is a Muslim (because he is an Arab) and that, as a Muslim, he must support, or probably supports, Sha'ria law. In contrast, the article doesn't even state that Mr. Abu-Ghazali is a Muslim...and it most certainly doesn't state that he supports leading the U.S. towards Sha-ria law. As a Libertarian running for federal office--unless the Libertarian Party executives and membership in his district aren't paying any attention--Mr. Abu-Ghazali should know that his SWORN DUTY is to follow the Constitution. And the U.S. Constitution expressly forbids the federal government from any intervention whatsoever in any issue where Mr. Abu-Ghazali's religious views might come into play (e.g. abortion).
"Precision in language is very important, particularly if you are a Libertarian..."
I agree. That's why I *am* precise in my language. (Unlike, for instance, those who say my postings "equate" Sha'ria law with the laws of the United States...where I merely stated that neither Sha'ria law or the laws of the United States are libertarian.)
...because there are a gadzillion of us non-Libertarians out there...
Yes, it sort of makes the whole website name, "Free Republic," ironic. If ALL the people who posted here were truly interested in a FREE REPUBLIC, ALL the people here would be in the Libertarian Party. Or at least all the people on this site would vote straight-ticket Libertarian, in the privacy of their voting booths.
Mark (Libertarian Party...accept no substitutes)
I might add that when the American people finally figure out what the Libertarians are really about, they'll run them out of town along with the Democrats.
Heh, heh, heh! When the American people finally figure out Libertarians are about returning American government to the ideals of Madison and Jefferson, they'll run Libertarians out of town? Yeah...I'll bet you statist Republicans will! Since your party has NEVER liked the small government envisioned by Madison and Jefferson!
And what do you think will happen when the conservatives on this site stop deluding themselves into believing that Republicans are interested in either "Free," or "Republic"? Or do you think that the conservatives on this site already know that Republicans (in general) aren't interested in "Free" or "Republic"...and the conservatives here just don't care?
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How weird VA. I'm sorta flattered that you'd think I could inspire a fan club, despite your well known insanity.
But you forget. -- Like Groucho, me hero, -- I would scorn any club that would accept me.
Oh yes, lots of fans. Mostly waving off the odors the eminate from your threads.
Republican: One who wishes to preserve certain government usurpations and violations of individual liberty, as opposed to a Democrat, who wishes to introduce new ones.
Democrat: One who gets elected to congress.
Libertarian: One who is laughed at.
Now do I sound like a "statist"?
Did you know Abe Lincoln's mother and sister are actually buried on a plot of ground which, at the time of their deaths, belonged to one of my direct paternal ancestors - that's how poor they were - Tom wasn't sure enough of his title, or his surveying, to trust his dead family members to anyone but friends.
Fortune smiled on Abe when the neighbors pulled together and made sure he got to read the few books around in the Indiana wilderness, and they involved him in their every discussion of community affairs, and right, and wrong, and the founding principles of what became the Republican Party.
Unfortunately for young Abe, the Republicans weren't around yet, so he was forced by cruel fate to play along with their Libertarian Equivalent in that day - the people called "The Whigs".
They were a doomed political party because they had no moral values and always compromised with the most evil proposals of the Democrats.
Then, as if the finger of God had written it on a hillside in Michigan, the Republican Party sprang into full existence and young Abe knew that it was time for his destiny.
The rest is history, and no matter how you slice it that Whig sausage still doesn't turn into beefsteak.
You could go back to DU, you know.
{Hark! -- Do I hear the applause of fans?}
Democrat: One who gets elected to congress.
Yep - another similarity. Both use socialist programs to purchase votes.
How very proud you must be of one another.
Excuse me. I should have said, "y'all." There are certainly a few (at least a couple dozen, I reckon ;-)) Republicans who are NOT statists. I simply was referring to Republicans as a group.
Sorry, no Party that approved of government sponsorship of the owning of human beings can be considered a "Libertarian Equivalent."
In fact, Libertarians don't approve of a Draft, since it unquestionably violates the 13th Amendment's prohibition on "involuntary servitude."
Your Republicans, on the other hand, didn't seem to mind THAT type of involuntary servitude...at least during the 30+ years it existed, from WWII to the mid-1970's. And y'all definitely have NOT said anything about forced REGISTRATION for the draft! So y'all clearly have a mind to reinstitute THAT kind of slavery...if y'all ever "need" it! Bwahahahahahaha! (Of course, I won't be so amused if y'all and your Democrat friends ever draft anyone I love.)
There are MAYBE a handful of good--if you care about freedom and limited government--Repubbies in the entire federal governement. All in Congress, unfortunately...where their goodness is most diluted. So the odds are WAAAYYYYY strong that the Repubbie candidate in that race isn't "good." (If you care about freedom and limited government. If you like an omnipotent federal government, Washington DC is LOADED with "good" Repubbies...and it's quite likely that you'll love the Repubbie candidate in that race, too.)
The American Whig Party (roughly from 1834-1856)
The Whig Party, in the United States, was for most of its history concerned with promoting internal improvements, such as roads, canals, railroads, deepening of rivers, etc. This was of interest to many Westerners in this period, isolated as they were and in need of markets. Abraham Lincoln was a Whig for most of this period.
Go join VA in the alumafoil section of FR.
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