Curious About Freeper's Views Of Joyce Meyer

onedoug ^ | 12 DEC 2001 | onedoug

[onedoug]

"You got me plum-hypnotized," Elmer Gantry says to Sister Sharon Falconer in that film/novel.

Is that the case with me over Joyce Meyer?

She seems pretty good at down-home preachin'. And while not a classic beauty, she yet ministers out a fair amount sex appeal, along with the word.

(I think, ultimately, it's those Texas/Missouri eyes.)

I post this to philosophy since, as I know she has a fair amount of, at least internet detractors, it yet seems that her ability to project the Word, is as anchored in the integrity of faith as any other TV preacher I can recall.

...Except perhaps the late Bishop Fulton J Sheen.

In short though, Meyer lately fascinates me, and I'm curious what other Freepers may think. Particularly Evangelicals!

Thanks, and Merry Christmas to All!

[Matchett-PI]

You wrote to cva66snipe: "...you like to pick and choose what to believe."

Which one (or more) of these descriptions and effects of eternal punishment (hell) do you choose to believe:

Darkness (Matt.8:12)
Weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt.*:12; 13:50; 22:13; 24:51)
Furnace of fire (Matt.13:50)
Eternal fire (Matt.25:41)
Unquenchable fire (Luke 3:17)
Bottomless pit (Rev.9:1-11)
Torment forever, no rest day or night (Rev.14:10-11)
Lake of fire (Rev.19:20; 21::8)
Black darkness (Jude 13)
Different degrees of punishment (Matt. 11:21-24; Luke 12:47-48)
Final eternal state/no second chance (Isa.66:24; Mark 9:44-48; Matt.25:46; 2 Thess.1:9)
Separation from God and his glory (2 Thess.1:9)

[dwhite]

Agree with the things you say.

I tend to think she is not a real deep teacher. She uses the word "me, me, me" too much and most of it is about her. Not a meat and potatoes kind of person who indeed would be lost in the "real" world of the missionaries in the bad part of the world.

My son and I watched her a lot until we found Kenneth Copeland and the truths he teaches.

Lady in GA

[nicmarlo]

There are many Blues singers who originally sang in the church choir---and Elvis used to do so. It's unfortunate that so many get distracted in their hearts from the Lord and end up having less than blessed lives. Some of my favorite Christian singers are from the 70's/80's. While living in Calif., I often got to see 2nd Chapter of Acts, Keith Green, among others. It was something to watch.

[nicmarlo]

See the book of Jude.

The Book of Jude teaches on self indulgement not basic Christain doctrine disagreements. Please read it in it's right context before using it as a wholesale weapon to accuse those who do not follow your denomination's teachings word for word.

A good book to read for the Christian is Ephesians. It was written to preven problems in the church as a whole by encouraging the body of Christ to maturity in Him (a key phrase, especially, "in Him"). In the first chapter, for example, Paul tells all the things we have "in Him, some of which are:"

1. Chosen by God
2. Redemption through His blood;
3. the forgiveness of our trespasses;
4. we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestine
5. after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise

In Chapter 4, Paul exhorts to the brethren to unity, "entreat[ing] you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called (2) with all humility and gentleness, with patience, showing forbearance to one another in love (3) being diligent to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

There is so much more in Ephesians about building up the saints, loving one another, putting on the full armor of God, that you may be able to resist in the evil day . . . to stand firm.

Paul teaches us that love seeks reconciliation like God did with us, that we are to live in a way that reflects God's light, which exposes darkness and evil. And the greatest evil is the lack of love.

[cva66snipe]

I was a bit harsh in my post about Jude. The earlry church at that time did have differences in basic doctorines {church rules of worship} that Paul tried to address. Less mentioned was a out and out perversion of the entire Gospel that Paul taught about as well. In general it was a message of those teaching to keep indulging in their sinfull past that GOD's grace would be even greater. To that effect I can't recall exact passage or word for word right now. Some were as well incorporating the Gospel into beliefs in other gods. A far more serious offense and indeed spiritual idolatry{sp}. Those I believe Paul was after as well as Jude.

[sausageseller]

I'm with you. I was saved after watching watching TBN. The black preacher from Gary? Indiana I can't recall his name, preached a sermon on "The Daddy in Hell". I didn't want to be the daddy in hell and it convicted me. I went foward in A Southern Baptist church.

Many souls are in heaven because of TBN and those that make fun and critize it will have to answer for it one day!

[PleaseNoMore]

To your 370 & 371:

The sources you have accusing Graham of apostacy are mere jokes. Interviews and statements taken out of context. His position on the Pope in no way reveres the Pope but rather that he views the Pope as someone who sees himself as an evangelist of sorts.

His interview with a secular source is something that you deem credible? Have you ever listened to Graham speak about hell? I assure you he has spoken of it quite literally and does so with great conviction that it is the alternative for those who do not accept Christ.

As for my statements to you, please refer to Matt 23:33. Instead of skipping straight to verse 33 read the entire chapter as it deals with Pharisaism. A most interesting read I assure you. The part in verse 13 about "shutting up the kingdom of heaven from men". I also think you should read verse 27 as it deals with being whitewashed on the outside and yet full of impurity on the inside and having hearts of hypocrisy. My, I would hate to be the one to "crush one with impossible religious demands and not lift a finger to ease those burdens". Find that one yourself. I assure you it isn't in Corinthians or Timothy. I also quoted Proverbs 13:10.

FTR,I do seek the truth just not the truth as told by David Cloud, a man caught in his own lies.

[Benrand]

She does have sex appeal...

Is she a Dr. Gene Scott, however? Maybe...or is she a RObert Tilton...

[PleaseNoMore]

Many souls are in heaven because of TBN and those that make fun and critize it will have to answer for it one day!

I agree with you on this one. I prefer to let those who stand in mockery of God stand alone. God will use whomever He pleases to deliver His message by whatever means He so chooses to do so with.

[nicmarlo]

Romans 6:15 "What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!

Is this what you were referring to?

[the_doc]

The Bible's condemnation of false teachers is not limited to a condemnation of antinomianism.

I think God is more jealous for Truth than you have noticed.

[LS]

I'll turn your question around: if "God's will" overrode everything, then you would have no choice about whether to accept Jesus. Indeed, there would be no reason whatsoever for anyone to live on earth. He could just "zap" and make us all believers. But HE said He wouldn't do that. And it is written (do you really want me to find the verse?) that God has magnified HIS WORD even above HIS NAME. That tells me that God can't lie, and if HE says I am to have something, then I should have it. If I don't have it, it must be MY fault, not His because He already said it.

And no, it's not "faith in faith." That is anti-faith gibberish. It is faith in the Word of GOD, because ONLY the Word has power---faith in anything else is useless. And to keep calling faith "name it and claim it" is like calling Catholics "papists." Clever, but erroneous in the extreme.

[LS]

Your comments are especially interesting in light of Joyce Meyer and the "faith" teachers, because TO A MAN (or woman) they ALL say, "Don't take what I say as truth unless you check it out in the Word." I have heard Fred say on numerous occasions, "Read the BIBLE---don't just quote it, because you can get it wrong and I can get it wrong."

By far, the "faith" people I know seem to know more of the Bible than the Baptists and others I knew for years who were reknowned as "Bible scholars." But that's just my experience.

[nicmarlo]

"Don't take what I say as truth unless you check it out in the Word." I have heard Fred say on numerous occasions, "Read the BIBLE---don't just quote it, because you can get it wrong and I can get it wrong."

I have also heard Joyce Meyer say this. One time was especially funny when she quoted the next scripture she was going to read, but turned to the wrong page and began reading the wrong scripture. She realized this midway through, laughed, and said something like, "see, I told you you've got to check up on what I'm telling you is in the Bible." Everyone laughed, she especially at herself.

[LS]

Once again, this is a slander without evidence. Every so-called "name it and claim it" (I prefer the term, "faith" people) person validates and verifies points repeatedly. Fred Price's standard operating procedure is "in the mouths of two or three witnesses." So you must be listening to people other than the faith people I know.

[PleaseNoMore]

I strongly believe in confirming the words of man with the scriptures. I have a problem with those who like to take the scriptures out of context to "prove their own point" and not God's. My grandfather is my minister and this is one thing he has taught me from childhood. He emphasizes to his own congregation that although he knows what God has laid upon his heart to minister he would appreciate it if everyone would back his mesaage up with the Word. He realizes his humanity. That I appreciate! I haven't listened to Fred Price or at least I don't recall having heard him speak. I have listened to Meyers many times. I agree with you on your take of who seems to be more grounded in the word.

[TheDeacon]

I think she is a nice lady. But she is a cookie-cutter word of faith (how to get God to do something for you) i.e Copeland, Hagan, Hickey, etc.

[sausageseller]

I did say that wrong. I should have said: Many souls are in heaven because of TBN spreading the good news of Jesus Christ! ie. ME!

I"m waiting for the flamers. I stated it wrong but I know i am going to heaven anyway!

[Matchett-PI]

"The Book of Jude teaches on self indulgement not basic Christain Doctorine disagreements."

Excuse me???

See Jude 3: "The Faith once for all delivered to the saints" is a "recognized body of beliefs" about who God is and what he is doing. In case you don't know it, that is talking about "the essential doctrines" that any church must embrace if it wants to be called a legitimate "Christian" church.

These are the unique doctrines that separate the Christian religion from all other religions.

To step outside of those unique doctines and teach something else, you are stepping outside the Christian religion and teaching FALSE doctrine while calling it "Christian".

Those who claim to speak for God and lead people astray by teaching a different God and a different gospel (anything other than the Christian body of beliefs / essentials beliefs of the Christian religion), are false teachers and Jude says in verse 13 that the worst punishment that God metes out will be their fate.

In verse 3, God (through Jude) is commanding his people to "contend" (strenuous effort) for that unique body of beliefs (THE FAITH) that was once for all entrusted to them so as to prevent false teachers from harming his church.

You may scoff and brush such "strenuous effort" off as unimportant "doctrinal disagreements", but that only tells the world that you don't understand the difference between essential and non-essential doctrines.

There ARE no "doctrinal disagreements" in a truly orthodox Christian church over the "essential" doctrines. Those are set. The squabbles are always over non-essential (meaning non-salvational) doctrines such as baptism and how it should be performed, etc.

[PleaseNoMore]

Amen! If we don't have the provisions that He has already prepared for us then it is our own fault. He isn't going to spoon feed us. He may send the manna but we have to gather it. It doesn't do us any good if we leave it lying on the ground. The "it's God's will ( sickness, poverty, addiction, etc ) crowd" always saddens me. What blessings they are missing out on by not acting upon His word.