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Expert links gun control to high rate of break-ins (duh)
National Post ^ | Dan Rowe

Posted on 12/21/2001 6:42:28 AM PST by Sir Gawain

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To: sirgawain
Burglary of a residence IS a violent crime, IMO. That's why it was a capital offense in many states up until the 1960's, depending on the time of day (after midnight, after dark, or some such).

Any place I sleep, it's still a capital offense if I can get moving in time.

41 posted on 12/21/2001 10:30:47 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: coteblanche
Many folks believe as you do, before their first vitimization. Very few of the survivors retain that view, requiring further victimizations(if they get such a chance) to convince them.

I would hope that you and those like you would change your mind before your first victimization, since you might not have that chance afterwards. I would rather that it didn't happen at all, but reality dictates otherwise.

42 posted on 12/21/2001 11:02:07 AM PST by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: sirgawain
It took an ex-spurt to figure this out? Jeez!
43 posted on 12/21/2001 11:33:49 AM PST by Piquaboy
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To: coteblanche
So me using a gun to save your or your childs life would be a good thing? Yes or No? (Seriously, I want to know your thoughts)
45 posted on 12/21/2001 11:49:35 AM PST by dpa5923
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To: coteblanche
I will never believe guns help any situation.

Don't carry a gun if you don't want to, but please acknowledge that your original statement above was/is incorrect. Sometimes, the guns can help a situtation.

An armed citizenry is not the answer to violence.

Stats don't bear this out. But rather than beat a dead horse we will agree to disagree. Have a safe and Merry Christmas and a Joyous New Year.

47 posted on 12/21/2001 1:08:45 PM PST by dpa5923
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48 posted on 12/21/2001 1:18:51 PM PST by Doomonyou
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To: coteblanche

This is written by Jeffrey Snyder, who also wrote the book 'A Nation of Cowards'. He is a lawyer and makes a very honest and truthful case for having firearms.

The gift of life

'Although difficult for modern man to fathom, it was once widely believed that life was a gift from God, that to not defend that life when offered violence was to hold God’s gift in contempt, to be a coward and to breach one’s duty to one’s community. A sermon given in Philadelphia in 1747 unequivocally equated the failure to defend oneself with suicide:

He that suffers his life to be taken from him by one that hath no authority for that purpose, when he might preserve it by defense, incurs the Guilt of self murder since God hath enjoined him to seek the continuance of his life, and Nature itself teaches every creature to defend itself.

“Cowardice” and “self-respect” have largely disappeared from public discourse. In their place we are offered “self-esteem” as the bellwether of success and a proxy for dignity. “Self-respect” implies that one recognizes standards, and judges oneself worthy by the degree to which one lives up to them. “Self-esteem” simply means that one feels good about oneself. “Dignity” used to refer to the self-mastery and fortitude with which a person conducted himself in the face of life’s vicissitudes and the boorish behavior of others. Now, judging by campus speech codes, dignity requires that we never encounter a discouraging word and that others be coerced into acting respectfully, evidently on the assumption that we are powerless to prevent our degradation if exposed to the demeaning behavior of others. These are signposts proclaiming the insubstantiality of our character, the hollowness of our souls.

It is impossible to address the problem of rampant crime without talking about the moral responsibility of the intended victim. Crime is rampant because the law-abiding, each of us, condone it, excuse it, permit it, submit to it. We permit and encourage it because we do not fight back, immediately, then and there, where it happens. Crime is rampant because we do not have enough prisons, because judges and prosecutors are too soft, because the police are hamstrung with absurd technicalities. The defect is there, in our character. We are a nation of cowards and shirkers.'

I think if you will think on this for a while, you'll see the prudence of this argument.

49 posted on 12/22/2001 5:38:12 AM PST by Colt .45
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For your further edification -

An excerpt from 'A Nation of Cowards'

'OUR SOCIETY has reached a pinnacle of self-expression and respect for individuality rare or unmatched in history. Our entire popular culture -- from fashion magazines to the cinema -- positively screams the matchless worth of the individual, and glories in eccentricity, nonconformity, independent judgment, and self-determination. This enthusiasm is reflected in the prevalent notion that helping someone entails increasing that person's "self-esteem"; that if a person properly values himself, he will naturally be a happy, productive, and, in some inexplicable fashion, responsible member of society.

And yet, while people are encouraged to revel in their individuality and incalculable self-worth, the media and the law enforcement establishment continually advise us that, when confronted with the threat of lethal violence, we should not resist, but simply give the attacker what he wants. If the crime under consideration is rape, there is some notable waffling on this point, and the discussion quickly moves to how the woman can change her behavior to minimize the risk of rape, and the various ridiculous, non-lethal weapons she may acceptably carry, such as whistles, keys, mace or, that weapon which really sends shivers down a rapist's spine, the portable cellular phone.

Now how can this be? How can a person who values himself so highly calmly accept the indignity of a criminal assault? How can one who believes that the essence of his dignity lies in his self-determination passively accept the forcible deprivation of that self-determination? How can he, quietly, with great dignity and poise, simply hand over the goods?

The assumption, of course, is that there is no inconsistency. The advice not to resist a criminal assault and simply hand over the goods is founded on the notion that one's life is of incalculable value, and that no amount of property is worth it. Put aside, for a moment, the outrageousness of the suggestion that a criminal who proffers lethal violence should be treated as if he has instituted a new social contract: "I will not hurt or kill you if you give me what I want." For years, feminists have labored to educate people that rape is not about sex, but about domination, degradation, and control. Evidently, someone needs to inform the law enforcement establishment and the media that kidnapping, robbery, carjacking, and assault are not about property.

Crime is not only a complete disavowal of the social contract, but also a commandeering of the victim's person and liberty. If the individual's dignity lies in the fact that he is a moral agent engaging in actions of his own will, in free exchange with others, then crime always violates the victim's dignity. It is, in fact, an act of enslavement. Your wallet, your purse, or your car may not be worth your life, but your dignity is; and if it is not worth fighting for, it can hardly be said to exist.'

50 posted on 12/22/2001 6:07:34 AM PST by Colt .45
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