[LenS]

Some more of the "Lincoln = Satan" material that Lew Rockwell spends his time spewing. I find it amazing that some people still miss slavery. If you want to demonstrate real courage, why not go into Harlem or Detroit and loudly proclaim these beliefs. You should get an interesting reaction and the world will have one less libertarian traitor. A win-win situation.

[tberry]

"I find it amazing that some people still miss slavery"

What the people missed was their personal freedoms that had just been won in the Revolution. Now here we are with another "King George" wanting political worship just like all the kings to be before him.

Our most recent King George W. looks like he is headed in the same direction. Here is what the war was really about.:

"Given that, Lincoln was very concerned about his tariff revenues in the absence of the Southern states. After Fort Sumter, the (Northern) President unconstitutionally established a blockade of Southern ports on his own motion. Soon, Lincoln had robbed Maryland of self-government and was making other inroads on civil liberty – his idea of preserving the Constitution via his self-invented presidential “war powers” (of which there is not a word in the actual document)."

[babyface00]

I find it amazing that some people still miss slavery. If you want to demonstrate real courage, why not go into Harlem or Detroit and loudly proclaim these beliefs

How does trying to discover the truth about one of the most pivotal events in U.S. history amount to "missing slavery"? Virtually no one misses slavery. However, to blindy ignore a growing body of evidence that slavery was not "the" reason for the war, and may not even have been a primary reason, is to misunderstand history.

Since a good reason for understanding history is to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past...

And speaking of Harlem and Detroit, do you really believe that the problems in those areas is caused by a dying idea from 150 years ago? Is it at least possible that these areas are byproducts of the welfare state and increased federal control? Both of which are traceable back to the War Between the States.

[stainlessbanner]

If you want to demonstrate real courage, why not go into Harlem or Detroit and loudly proclaim these beliefs

Trying to incite a riot, eh? Problem is, many of those people cannot face the truth about the War.

Read the book. Mr. Adams addresses slavery and the causes of the War. I was impressed by his use of documented references - it's all there.

Give it a look - it's well done.

PS: Charles Adams is from the North.

[shuckmaster]

why not go into Harlem or Detroit
No thanks! Why not stay there yourself instead of bringing your bogus liberal puke bigotry South?

[billbears]

why not go into Harlem or Detroit and loudly proclaim these beliefs

Can I take with me quotes from Frederick Douglass commenting on the number of blacks in the Confederate Army? How about documented Confederate army rolls with blacks on them, or black professors that have on their own mind you documented the importance of the black man within the Confederate Army? How about northern newspapers of the day condemning lincoln's actions? I'll even take the all holy Emancipation Proclamation, which if you would bother reading instead of blindly following a lie, didn't free anybody!! What about lincoln's quotes about not wanting to be painted with an 'abolitionist brush' or from his first inaugural address stating he would not try to block the original 13th Amendment making slavery perpetual?

Oh, yes, lincoln is my hero < /sarcasm>

[cascademountaineer]

To be honest Im always amazed and a little irritated at the amount of people willing to fight the Civil War over. However, I am a supporter of states rights, and the issue is very relevant to alot of legislation and programs that are being debated currently, so I do feel some points on that should be made.

The Civil War, though it acheived the positive goal of ending slavery and furthering the goals of freedom, was never actually fought because of the cause of abolition. Rather it was fought to keep the southern states inside the union because they were a signifigant source of capital.

I dont agree with the authors thesis that there is a legitimate case for southern secession. This has been argued before and the Constitution very clearly weighs in favor of the Union of States.

However, dont dismiss all of Rockwells writings so easily. He has, in the past made very interesting points on Federal/State-Local power sharing. And his writings, as well as the extensive Rothbard files he has on his website are worth further reading.

[wwjdn]

So you've bought into the "great lie" too. The Civil War was not really about slavery, the North had it's own slaves, but they were called "factory workers". The factory workers often never saw daylight. But they had a better life right? No they didn't.

[glc1173@aol.com]

"I find it amazing that some people still miss slavery."

Like it or not, it's indisputable that today's U.S. blacks are immeasurably better because their ancestors were dragged here in chains. Had Great-Great Grandpa not been dragged here in chains, today's generation of American blacks would be living alongside their cousins in the poorest nations on Earth.

[CAScot]

I wouldn't go NEAR Harlem (which in in NYC) and Detroit, or Chicago either, they're all north of Virginia!
I wouldn't even go into those cities and talk about Southern beliefs to people in the Mayors office! Black or white, it is in the best economic interests of 'those people' to keep the Lincolnian version sacred - It is curious that all the current issue over things Southern started when the rust belt begin bleeding taxpayers, and found it advantageous to try an portray the South as being racked with racial hostility and a bad place to live.


However I do live in the South, and I do talk to lot of black people in the South about such beliefs, and the amount of negative reaction I get is well below 25%.