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To: LenS
I find it amazing that some people still miss slavery. If you want to demonstrate real courage, why not go into Harlem or Detroit and loudly proclaim these beliefs

How does trying to discover the truth about one of the most pivotal events in U.S. history amount to "missing slavery"? Virtually no one misses slavery. However, to blindy ignore a growing body of evidence that slavery was not "the" reason for the war, and may not even have been a primary reason, is to misunderstand history.

Since a good reason for understanding history is to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past...

And speaking of Harlem and Detroit, do you really believe that the problems in those areas is caused by a dying idea from 150 years ago? Is it at least possible that these areas are byproducts of the welfare state and increased federal control? Both of which are traceable back to the War Between the States.
8 posted on 12/20/2001 4:38:54 AM PST by babyface00
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To: babyface00
problems in those areas is caused

Oops, should have been "are caused". Sorry.
9 posted on 12/20/2001 4:40:08 AM PST by babyface00
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To: babyface00
The North cared for blacks about as much as the South cared for blacks. One might argue that Southerners had a slightly better view of blacks, in that they gave much pivotal work to blacks and were generaly (though not always of course) benevolent to blacks.

At any rate, I shall not argue either pre-war Southern attitudes to black or Northern ones, and neither will I decide whether slavery was the worst offense in American history or merely a poor idea.

I will say that the Federal means of ending slavery was terrible. It could have hardly been handled any worse. The North used the black man very well, and created conditions of animosity that would impact the South for over a century, indeed, up to the present day. Please click on my screen name and read the quotes from Patrick Cleburne (CSA), and perhaps get one of the biographies on that man. His words predicted what would happen after the war between blacks and whites down to a tee.

In short, it does not matter if you hate slavery or not: the way it was ended was perhaps worse than slavery itself, or at least if contrasted with a gradual ending done by the individual states. The ends shoudl not justify the means, in this case especially.

And lest you believe the North considered the Civil War to be over slavery, consider the plantations the Yankee army maintained, using former slaves who were promised pay-merely promised. Or that the colored regiments were disbanded after the war (when they could no longer incite Southern population anyway), and blacks esentially excluded from the ranks for years. Or just the attitudes of Northern soldiers on why they were fighting.

61 posted on 12/20/2001 11:56:52 AM PST by Cleburne
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To: babyface00
And speaking of Harlem and Detroit, do you really believe that the problems in those areas is caused by a dying idea from 150 years ago? Is it at least possible that these areas are byproducts of the welfare state and increased federal control? Both of which are traceable back to the War Between the States.

Thank you

252 posted on 12/23/2001 4:51:52 AM PST by logic101.net
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