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To: Carry_Okie
Thanks for the link. I think that now would be a good time for a grassroots outcry, perhaps a lawsuit, which will bring the huge wast of money and property to the general public is the only way to go.

When all the countries involved in the Third Way movement openly endorsed and embraced environmental wacko-ism ( i.e.: Kyoto ) the politics and the policies became too deeply intertwined to be separated, except by force of well organized, well informed and dedicated public outcry.

I very much want to know what other "studies" this group of clowns participated in. Spotted owls? Klamath Falls suckerfish? Others? I want every study these people ever participated in reviewed. I want their names, and I want to know what environmental groups and policies they have been known to support. These people directly affect our lives. We have a RIGHT to know.

Remember, this scandal was tied up with an ELF terrorist attack, and that alone should be setting off HUGE amounts of lights and alarm bells in the public mind.

22 posted on 12/19/2001 7:38:45 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: All
Conservation vs Preservation:

Main Conservation Rights Institute

Freedom.Org has articles and contains links to the same sites I found using a search engine, like

Sovereiginity.net and

The PA Landowners Association

23 posted on 12/19/2001 7:55:18 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb;Ben Ficklin;dandelion;independentmind
I want every study these people ever participated in reviewed. I want their names, and I want to know what environmental groups and policies they have been known to support.

Planning to live a long time, eh? I started on that route about three years ago (kinda like what Ben Ficklin and dandelion are doing in this case), but then I found out that the problem was so big that I could spend a lifetime on it and never even dent the monster. You might win a few in the courts but the real actors would skate and the ranchers and farmers would be dying like flies all around you while you choked the crap out of a mere pawn. The real players have too much money to even scratch the surface. You'd get squashed like a bug and they'd find a work-around for any "oversight system" you put in their way. Look at the way agencies flout the law! Dumping metals in the Potomac? Do you really think that oversight and disciplinary actions in agencies will do anything?

The better idea was to cut out the legs from under it by coming up with a better way to do things, a way for people to make money learning how to improve our management of ecosystem resources and value their seemingly insignificant elements on objective bases.

So I did.

30 posted on 12/19/2001 8:19:39 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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