Posted on 12/19/2001 4:18:27 AM PST by brityank
When all the countries involved in the Third Way movement openly endorsed and embraced environmental wacko-ism ( i.e.: Kyoto ) the politics and the policies became too deeply intertwined to be separated, except by force of well organized, well informed and dedicated public outcry.
I very much want to know what other "studies" this group of clowns participated in. Spotted owls? Klamath Falls suckerfish? Others? I want every study these people ever participated in reviewed. I want their names, and I want to know what environmental groups and policies they have been known to support. These people directly affect our lives. We have a RIGHT to know.
Remember, this scandal was tied up with an ELF terrorist attack, and that alone should be setting off HUGE amounts of lights and alarm bells in the public mind.
Main Conservation Rights Institute
Freedom.Org has articles and contains links to the same sites I found using a search engine, like
I'm getting bored with Bambi.
prambo
Eduardo Olmedo conducted surveys for spotted owls, great gray owls, goshawks, song birds, and bald eagles. Currently he is serving as the Canada lynx coordinator for the Mt Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest.Here is the pdf file, scroll down to Chapter 7.
Here are the officers, board members, and other honchos at the WA chapter of the Wildlife Society. Note that most are Fed & State employees. Compare these to the list of names that dandelion compiled on the other thread. brityank has a link to that thread above.
Here is an article, The Myth of Wildlife Management, from the current issue of Field and Stream dealing with the shift in employees at USFWS and some of the malfeasence at that agency
There is huge investment going on to move our meat industry offshore, primarily to Brazil, and Argentina. How would they increase that return? Does restricting domestic cattle production accomplish that end? 9The situation is worse than it looks because of how they designate what constitutes American beef.) I don't want to go into that now, but it is a huge story. See if you can get a copy of the Western Livestock Reporter.
Meanwhile, the dirty little secret in the world's forests is that they produce more wood than people can use. Of course they produce a lot of other things THAT COULD BE WORTH ECONOMIC VALUE (but for price-fixing by government monopoly), but heck, who really cares about that? (which is why I wrote the book). To hold prices up we burn it and destroy our own forests or cal them "protected areas," much to the delight of the historic owners of old timber corporations such as Weyeryauser or International Paper whose private forests are in fine shape. Who cares if they end up over-run with weeds (another reason I wrote the book). Then there are the bankers who are seeking to prop up those international loans, and the advocates of Global Governance seeking to use the Tobin Tax on currency transfers...
There are a lot of players engaged in a feeding frenzy on the American rancher and farmer and from what I can tell the real goal is to bring the United States to heel and has been for a very long time. That noose is tightening. Unbeknownst to many, we are a nation that is a net importer of food (not ag, food) and it is getting worse VERY fast. It is intentional and a matter of policy (pleases the IMF). Every other communist takeover in history has used starvation to bring its victims to heel so why should global socialism be any different? Isn't control of food, water, and energy a source of coercive power???
I'm not. I just LUUUVVV venison.
Sometime I would like to discuss this further. My brother has an undergraduate degree in horticulture and a keen interest in the subject, and he has told me that this isn't so.
Planning to live a long time, eh? I started on that route about three years ago (kinda like what Ben Ficklin and dandelion are doing in this case), but then I found out that the problem was so big that I could spend a lifetime on it and never even dent the monster. You might win a few in the courts but the real actors would skate and the ranchers and farmers would be dying like flies all around you while you choked the crap out of a mere pawn. The real players have too much money to even scratch the surface. You'd get squashed like a bug and they'd find a work-around for any "oversight system" you put in their way. Look at the way agencies flout the law! Dumping metals in the Potomac? Do you really think that oversight and disciplinary actions in agencies will do anything?
The better idea was to cut out the legs from under it by coming up with a better way to do things, a way for people to make money learning how to improve our management of ecosystem resources and value their seemingly insignificant elements on objective bases.
I went to the Washington Chapter - The Wildlife Society and was scrolling down through the list of officers. Along toward the bottom, I found this:
Conservation
Position Open
Seems like conservationists may not be welcome there...
Here is a 100 pp paper on the topic prepared for the Millennium Round of the WTO by the Center for North American Studies.
Here is the PowerPoint slide presentation that goes with it.
We are a net agricultural exporter. We are a net FOOD importer. (You can't eat cotton, tobacco, catfish, animal feed, and soybean meal).
I don't think Congressional oversight or disciplinary actions will do ANYTHING. "Counceling". Pffttt.
I posted links on this thread to organizations that support a better way of doig things. We have to find a way of selling this better way to the city-bound armchair-environmentalists who who know nothing of the consequenses of enviro-wackoism. These naive people, who have never spent much time actually interacting with the environment, don't have a clue.
One thing that's needed is TV time. Media coverage of this scandal. Documentaries of the land grabs, denial of water rights, and denial of water needed to fight wildfires. Documentaries detailing the overpopulated red foxes now dying by the age of two due to mange and scabies. The problem bears we deal with in the country after they've been relocated to rural areas because stupid tourists feed them until they become dangerous. Acres of oak, maple and other habitat freindly trees on the sides of hills clearcut by overpopulated beavers. Etc. Interveiws with those who make these documentaries and write these books.
How do we sell this information to the public at large?
Viewed From the Trenches
Having been a registered representative of a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO)to the United Nations for seven years, I have gained deep admiration for the almost seamless process whereby squishy, soft law congeals into binding, hard law. In December, 1997, the Kyoto Protocol became the marble slab upon which the voluntary reduction in carbon dioxide emissions, embraced in 1992 at the Rio Earth Summit as the Framework Convention on Climate Change, was finally ladled out to solidify as binding controls on greenhouse gases for a few countries.
Because only twenty-six specified developed nations and thirteen nations listed as "in transition to market economies" would be bound by the Protocol, some 128 nations under no commitments certainly had to view the process as pure candy-making for themselves.
Tell Us What You Really Think
Why candy? Because what had really been established was economic, not environmental. What really was established was the new anticipated global currency, which Ill call the "Kyo." The "Kyo" might just be the trading certificate for "GreenHouseGold" (GHG -- although GHG normally means greenhouse gases). In a grand alchemists cauldron, non-emissions suddenly transformed into wealth and emissions transformed into debt. Overnight, any industrialized country desiring to undergo any project which required energy use, would be forced to "buy" non-emissions in order to proceed. Lest you think this smacks of extortion, let me assure you, you are correct.
The Kyoto Protocol is a prime piece of the embodiment of a massive, grand, global scheme for redistribution of the worlds wealth from "abilities" to "needs" [Heart of the Third Way]-- a scheme which has flamed in the hearts of egalitarians of all stripes and "-isms" for ten thousand years of known human history.
While Kyoto deals with so-called "greenhouse gasses" rather than agrieculture, you can see how the removal of our agricultural capability in order to make us dependent on the import of recources will redistribute the wealth of the United States to corrupt, poverty-stricken, third world nations, thus making the US into another corrupt, poverty-stricken, third world nation.
Sheesh, I HAVE been online too long.
"..bit judge, my intentions were honorable."
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